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Cuz Marky is a sure thing under Canucks system, while maf and Demko is a risk lol. However if they could get oel, and upgrade on defense again, it wouldn't be as bad imo

Toffoli agent is doing his job, he doesn't wanna screw him waiting around for the Canucks and then other teams sign everyone thinking he's not available. Then he will have shit offer to sign lol

Emerson] The Golden Knights have reportedly offered a second-round pick for a team to take just half of Fleury’s salary, but teams, including the Hurricanes, are asking for a first and a second. Moving Fleury is the top priority right now

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Cuz Marky is a sure thing under Canucks system, while maf and Demko is a risk lol. However if they could get oel, and upgrade on defense again, it wouldn't be as bad imo

Toffoli agent is doing his job, he doesn't wanna screw him waiting around for the Canucks and then other teams sign everyone thinking he's not available. Then he will have shit offer to sign lol

Emerson] The Golden Knights have reportedly offered a second-round pick for a team to take just half of Fleury’s salary, but teams, including the Hurricanes, are asking for a first and a second. Moving Fleury is the top priority right now



Sens should jump all over maf at 50% with a pick
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Oct 6 2020 07:16pm
Quote (Secksii @ Oct 6 2020 06:08pm)
Cuz Marky is a sure thing under Canucks system, while maf and Demko is a risk lol. However if they could get oel, and upgrade on defense again, it wouldn't be as bad imo

Toffoli agent is doing his job, he doesn't wanna screw him waiting around for the Canucks and then other teams sign everyone thinking he's not available. Then he will have shit offer to sign lol

Emerson] The Golden Knights have reportedly offered a second-round pick for a team to take just half of Fleury’s salary, but teams, including the Hurricanes, are asking for a first and a second. Moving Fleury is the top priority right now


Markstrom has been great but our "system" is to be awful and have him bail us out every night. That's not going to work in the long-term, and he's not getting any younger.

Even if both Demko and Fleury are downgrades in a vacuum, if the team is going to improve in front of the goalie (which it has to), losing Markstrom won't be as much of a hit.
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Oct 6 2020 07:17pm
Quote (Meatstick @ Oct 6 2020 06:14pm)
Sens should jump all over maf at 50% with a pick


That would require Melnyk spending money.......
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He wanted a decent deal too, 4.8/4yrs. Hopefully he still decides to sign with the Canucks after reviewing his options

Rumor is Vegas will retain 50% for MAF, I think Canucks shd just let Marky go and go for maf with Demko if we set on Demko being the guy.. Especially if we can keep toffoli too

[Satiar re Marky] "The Canucks have upped their offer and that offer is pretty significant.... It is at the point now where the Canucks are putting their best foot forward" Around Lehner $$, possibly more


This is interesting.

With Markstrom I can see both sides.

On one side he stole us so many games with 45+ save performances we had no business winning.

He has been brought up by the organization and has improved tremendously. It would really sting to see all that progression walk away.

He is our current marquee goalie and I would like him to stay but this is a business and the cap/term is just as important in building a successful team as the personnel on the ice.

The idea of letting an asset go for nothing that was developed over time through the organization does not sit well with me though.


On the other side we have Demko with the expectation he will be number one and Markstrom is 30 and has suffered significant injuries before.

Furthermore with how many games he has played and shots he has faced you have to wonder how much gas the guy has left in the tank. Just how long can he play at an elite level for?

If you sign him for 5-6 years odds are you only get 2-3 prime years out of him and his best hockey may be behind him already. It could run afoul down the road.


This scenario with MAF is an intriguing one.

If you want to go all in on Demko MAF (with retained salary) is a perfect stop gap until Demko is ready and a capable veteran would add stability with the Canucks still being able to remain competitive despite losing Markstrom.

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This is interesting.

With Markstrom I can see both sides.

On one side he stole us so many games with 45+ save performances we had no business winning.

He has been brought up by the organization and has improved tremendously. It would really sting to see all that progression walk away.

He is our current marquee goalie and I would like him to stay but this is a business and the cap/term is just as important in building a successful team as the personnel on the ice.

The idea of letting an asset go for nothing that was developed over time through the organization does not sit well with me.


On the other side we have Demko with the expectation he will be number one and Markstrom is 30 and has suffered significant injuries before.

Furthermore with how many games he has played and shots he has faced you have to wonder how much gas the guy has left in the tank. Just how long can he play at an elite level for?

If you sign him for 5-6 years odds are you only get 2-3 prime years out of him and his best hockey may be behind him already. It could run afoul down the road.


This scenario with MAF is an intriguing one.

If you want to go all in on Demko MAF (with retained salary) is a perfect stop gap until Demko is ready and a capable veteran would add stability with the Canucks still being able to remain competitive despite losing Markstrom.


Perfect summary.

The way I see it, Markstrom won't sign a short-term deal (which would be best for us given Demko and Markstrom's age/mileage) because he could easily get the Lehner deal elsewhere.

If they really do believe in Markstrom that much, I can't see Demko being here long-term. Not just because of the looming expansion draft, but because he's obviously not going to want to play backup during his prime lol.

Which means a Demko trade could be in the works? I wouldn't be against it given the right return. However that would likely mean we're getting a roster player that will help now in return, but how does that fit cap wise when we already are having trouble retaining our current players?

If teams won't take a good player in Fleury @ 3.5M + 2nd for free, what chance do we have at unloading something like Eriksson's 2 x 6M?
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Oct 6 2020 07:22pm
Ian Clark probably has no faith in maf, too old to teach now, who knows
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Quote (LuLer @ Oct 6 2020 06:21pm)
Perfect summary.

The way I see it, Markstrom won't sign a short-term deal (which would be best for us given Demko and Markstrom's age/mileage) because he could easily get the Lehner deal elsewhere.

If they really do believe in Markstrom that much, I can't see Demko being here long-term. Not just because of the looming expansion draft, but because he's obviously not going to want to play backup during his prime lol.

Which means a Demko trade could be in the works? I wouldn't be against it given the right return. However that would likely mean we're getting a roster player that will help now in return, but how does that fit cap wise when we already are having trouble retaining our current players?

If teams won't take a good player in Fleury @ 3.5M + 2nd for free, what chance do we have at unloading something like Eriksson's 2 x 6M?[/QUOTE]

Extremely concerning.

So is seeing Marc Staal, with only one year left on a lower cap hit cost a 2nd round pick.

This is why the OEL angle could have legs. Arizona is broke and is going to be closer to the cap floor. Loui has a high cap but little actual dollars owed to him.

If that contract is ditched Arizona would be the cheapest trading partner by far.


With such parity in the league the game has evolved to the point where cap management plays an ever increasing role in determining success.




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Quote (Killingyouall @ Oct 6 2020 06:17pm)
This is interesting.

With Markstrom I can see both sides.

On one side he stole us so many games with 45+ save performances we had no business winning.

He has been brought up by the organization and has improved tremendously. It would really sting to see all that progression walk away.

He is our current marquee goalie and I would like him to stay but this is a business and the cap/term is just as important in building a successful team as the personnel on the ice.

The idea of letting an asset go for nothing that was developed over time through the organization does not sit well with me though.


On the other side we have Demko with the expectation he will be number one and Markstrom is 30 and has suffered significant injuries before.

Furthermore with how many games he has played and shots he has faced you have to wonder how much gas the guy has left in the tank. Just how long can he play at an elite level for?

If you sign him for 5-6 years odds are you only get 2-3 prime years out of him and his best hockey may be behind him already. It could run afoul down the road.


This scenario with MAF is an intriguing one.

If you want to go all in on Demko MAF (with retained salary) is a perfect stop gap until Demko is ready and a capable veteran would add stability with the Canucks still being able to remain competitive despite losing Markstrom.


totally agreed. it's actually a decent way out for Benning from his salary cap SNAFU. one of Marky or Demko will be gone at the expansion draft so might as well make a move while goalies are dirt cheap.

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Quote (Killingyouall @ Oct 6 2020 06:27pm)
Extremely concerning.

So is seeing Marc Staal, with only one year left on a lower cap hit cost a 2nd round pick.

This is why the OEL angle could have legs. Arizona is broke and is going to be closer to the cap floor. Loui has a high cap but little actual dollars owed to him.

If that contract is ditched Arizona would be the cheapest trading partner by far.

With such parity in the league the game has evolved to the point where cap management plays an ever increasing role in determining success.


Feel bad for Arizona. OEL gives them a very public short list and the 2 teams probably do want the player but aren't very eager given his contract.

The Canucks will demand the Eriksson offload and Boston probably would rather re-sign Krug than pay assets for OEL. It's a very strange turtle race.
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