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Sep 20 2019 09:27am
Quote (KoJ @ Sep 20 2019 08:12am)
so they would have had to aquire his rights from the leafs first, and then they could have offered 8, i think.


Yep
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Sep 20 2019 11:09am
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so they would have had to aquire his rights from the leafs first, and then they could have offered 8, i think.


don't think that would have worked either

SJS had to wait until a certain date to sign an 8 year extension with Karlsson, same with Stone and VGK

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Sep 20 2019 12:43pm
Rule 50.8, subsection (b) (iv), which states:
An SPC with a term of greater than seven (7) years, provided, however, that a club may sign a player to an SPC with a term of up to eight (8) years if that player was on such club's reserve list as of and since the most recent trade deadline. With respect to potential unrestricted free agents only, the ability to re-sign a player to an SPC of eight (8) years expires when the player becomes an unrestricted free agent. With respect to a player who becomes a Group 2 restricted free agent, a club may sign such player to an SPC with a term of up to eight (8) years provided such player was on such club's reserve list and/or restricted free agent list as of and since the most recent trade deadline.
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Sep 21 2019 10:44am
Apparently the Avs and Rantanen are not even close to a deal.

https://www.bardown.com/hockey-fans-cannot-believe-the-avs-reported-asking-price-for-rfa-mikko-rantanen-1.1368818?fbclid=IwAR32ll4SnYZktgMTWFIfdwcr5pkXC5pCSrsKiYjHBRgEgXVU_XpaTwVNwyY


Apparently the offer is 8.4 - 8.75 over a 6-8 year term.

Not even close to the deal he will most likely be looking for. I would imagine he is in the same territory as Marner based on age, points per game, durability, and value to the team.

The Avs will have a strong team for years to come if they can properly manage their players/cap but if this is true they may have already failed at that.

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Sep 21 2019 11:12am
I remember getting laughed at when I said Rantanen would be looking for same or more than Marner on another website
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Sep 21 2019 11:20am
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I remember getting laughed at when I said Rantanen would be looking for same or more than Marner on another website


Things have changed haha.

He put in a strong season and was the leading scorer for the Avs in the playoffs.

I think he is worth around Marner money. He checks off all the boxes. There is nothing missing in his game and he is only 21.
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Sep 21 2019 02:30pm
that's a very fair deal, he should accept it. There's no way he should be getting marner money lol, not even close. He's the perfect player between landy and mackinnon but he can't drive the line at all. He's literally the perfect passenger. Marner at least drives his own line comparable to kucherov,mcdavid,and wheeler, also tavares and marner both benefit playing off each other. Whereas rantanen strictly benefits from playing with MacKinnon and MacK still performs well without Rantanen.

"When playing with MacKinnon over the last two seasons, Rantanen has earned 75 points in 1,937 minutes together (2.32 points-per-60), but in 400 minutes apart has just seven (1.13 points-per-60) at 5-on-5.

That’s not the best sign for Rantanen’s production, though that is in a small sample and the team’s lack of depth outside its stars should be considered. But even without that caveat, it should also be noted that much of Rantanen’s lofty production comes via increased opportunity with a heavy dosage of minutes, especially on the power play. At 5-on-5, his 2.13 points-per-60 ranks 58th over the last two seasons. Top line worthy, of course, but not exactly superstar-calibre."

That’s part of the reason my model considers him to be a borderline elite talent (the cutoff is 2.95 wins), especially since much of his value comes via his production which carries some question marks. In terms of two-way play, Rantanen’s impact looks to be only average. Again, on offence it’s MacKinnon carrying the load, and on defence it’s Gabriel Landeskog. He’s a large part of what makes that line go, but it’s worth noting he’s second fiddle on offence and is arguably the weakest link defensively. Rantanen is a terrific player, and will continue to get better, but he appears to be one whose market value is likely inflated by his point totals, which aren’t as impressive in context."

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Quote (Secksii @ Sep 21 2019 02:30pm)
that's a very fair deal, he should accept it. There's no way he should be getting marner money lol, not even close. He's the perfect player between landy and mackinnon but he can't drive the line at all. He's literally the perfect passenger. Marner at least drives his own line comparable to kucherov,mcdavid,and wheeler, also tavares and marner both benefit playing off each other. Whereas rantanen strictly benefits from playing with MacKinnon and MacK still performs well without Rantanen.

"When playing with MacKinnon over the last two seasons, Rantanen has earned 75 points in 1,937 minutes together (2.32 points-per-60), but in 400 minutes apart has just seven (1.13 points-per-60) at 5-on-5.

That’s not the best sign for Rantanen’s production, though that is in a small sample and the team’s lack of depth outside its stars should be considered. But even without that caveat, it should also be noted that much of Rantanen’s lofty production comes via increased opportunity with a heavy dosage of minutes, especially on the power play. At 5-on-5, his 2.13 points-per-60 ranks 58th over the last two seasons. Top line worthy, of course, but not exactly superstar-calibre."

That’s part of the reason my model considers him to be a borderline elite talent (the cutoff is 2.95 wins), especially since much of his value comes via his production which carries some question marks. In terms of two-way play, Rantanen’s impact looks to be only average. Again, on offence it’s MacKinnon carrying the load, and on defence it’s Gabriel Landeskog. He’s a large part of what makes that line go, but it’s worth noting he’s second fiddle on offence and is arguably the weakest link defensively. Rantanen is a terrific player, and will continue to get better, but he appears to be one whose market value is likely inflated by his point totals, which aren’t as impressive in context."



this always seemed like a cut and dry 8.5-9 mil deal to me. Hard to say the effect McKinnons super value contract would have , either drag Rant down a bit cause team scaling or up a bit cause they have the extra $.
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Quote (Secksii @ Sep 21 2019 04:30pm)
that's a very fair deal, he should accept it. There's no way he should be getting marner money lol, not even close. He's the perfect player between landy and mackinnon but he can't drive the line at all. He's literally the perfect passenger. Marner at least drives his own line comparable to kucherov,mcdavid,and wheeler, also tavares and marner both benefit playing off each other. Whereas rantanen strictly benefits from playing with MacKinnon and MacK still performs well without Rantanen.

"When playing with MacKinnon over the last two seasons, Rantanen has earned 75 points in 1,937 minutes together (2.32 points-per-60), but in 400 minutes apart has just seven (1.13 points-per-60) at 5-on-5.

That’s not the best sign for Rantanen’s production, though that is in a small sample and the team’s lack of depth outside its stars should be considered. But even without that caveat, it should also be noted that much of Rantanen’s lofty production comes via increased opportunity with a heavy dosage of minutes, especially on the power play. At 5-on-5, his 2.13 points-per-60 ranks 58th over the last two seasons. Top line worthy, of course, but not exactly superstar-calibre."

That’s part of the reason my model considers him to be a borderline elite talent (the cutoff is 2.95 wins), especially since much of his value comes via his production which carries some question marks. In terms of two-way play, Rantanen’s impact looks to be only average. Again, on offence it’s MacKinnon carrying the load, and on defence it’s Gabriel Landeskog. He’s a large part of what makes that line go, but it’s worth noting he’s second fiddle on offence and is arguably the weakest link defensively. Rantanen is a terrific player, and will continue to get better, but he appears to be one whose market value is likely inflated by his point totals, which aren’t as impressive in context."



so hes still a ppg player without his top line team mate?
At 21?

he and his agent would be stupid to accept that offer

Not saying he worth it but in the current scenario i understand why they holding back
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Sep 21 2019 03:19pm
Quote (Subban2 @ Sep 21 2019 02:51pm)
so hes still a ppg player without his top line team mate?
At 21?

he and his agent would be stupid to accept that offer

Not saying he worth it but in the current scenario i understand why they holding back



The 1.13 is per 60 minutes of ice time, so it’s pretty close to 1 point per 3 games played.
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