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Jul 16 2019 10:22am
Quote (Prone @ 16 Jul 2019 09:13)
That's ridiculous lol
What team would do that
Severely damage their future and have one of the highest paid players in the league on top of it


i can see a competitive team with capspace that easily would, since their 1st rounders wont be high but in the mid/high 20's.
Depending how long their window is to compete, it's basically giving up a single high 1st rd pick in their 4th year for a 10.5m player which is cheap af
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Jul 16 2019 10:31am
Quote (Prone @ Jul 16 2019 10:13am)
That's ridiculous lol
What team would do that
Severely damage their future and have one of the highest paid players in the league on top of it



No team
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Jul 16 2019 10:44am
Quote (Prone @ Jul 16 2019 12:13pm)
That's ridiculous lol
What team would do that
Severely damage their future and have one of the highest paid players in the league on top of it


Yeah, for marner or generally any rfa that needs 4x 1sts is too much
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Jul 16 2019 11:16am
Okay so a few questions here.

Nylander contract has a NMC or not?

What are the chances the marner contract has a NMC...


Who does that really leave for leafs to move around? Who's our high trade value guys that CAN be moved?
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Jul 16 2019 11:25am
Quote (zNick @ Jul 16 2019 10:16am)
Okay so a few questions here.

Nylander contract has a NMC or not?

What are the chances the marner contract has a NMC...


Who does that really leave for leafs to move around? Who's our high trade value guys that CAN be moved?


nylanders deal does not contain a no movement/no trade until the last year of the deal

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/william-nylander
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Jul 16 2019 11:32am
Quote (zNick @ Jul 16 2019 11:16am)
Who does that really leave for leafs to move around? Who's our high trade value guys that CAN be moved?


The two guys I see being the most likely to be moved are Kapanen or Johnsson because they are on ~$3.5M deals and that's approx what you'll need to get Marner his ~11M deal.

Right now, the Leafs have $3,765,301 in cap space, + 5.3M when Horton can be LTIR'd. It's possible with a couple guys sent down to the minors you could get the money freed up but right now they only have 13F/8D signed and the team would want to have at least 11F(+Marner)/7D travelling with the team. Sending those 2 guys down would only free up an additional ~$1.5M depending on who goes down (Total space would be right around 10.5 with the aforementioned moves).

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Jul 16 2019 11:46am
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The two guys I see being the most likely to be moved are Kapanen or Johnsson because they are on ~$3.5M deals and that's approx what you'll need to get Marner his ~11M deal.

Right now, the Leafs have $3,765,301 in cap space, + 5.3M when Horton can be LTIR'd. It's possible with a couple guys sent down to the minors you could get the money freed up but right now they only have 13F/8D signed and the team would want to have at least 11F(+Marner)/7D travelling with the team. Sending those 2 guys down would only free up an additional ~$1.5M depending on who goes down (Total space would be right around 10.5 with the aforementioned moves).



I don’t see them moving either of the guys they just signed , those are much better value contracts than the nylander contract. And some cap hit would be coming back presumably. I see it being Nylander almost for certain with a 3-4 mil contract and pick coming back.

Quote (h4bs @ Jul 16 2019 10:44am)
Yeah, for marner or generally any rfa that needs 4x 1sts is too much


Depends on the team, a rebuilding or middle of pack team no way, 4 1-15 picks are not worth it. For a team expecting to be top 10 in league yes, no way you replace a guy like Marner with 4 20-30oa picks. Odds are only 1 maybe of those guys will stick in NHL let alone become a 100p player.

As a general rule 1-15oa 2/3 bevome NHL regulars , 15-30oa 1/3 become NHL regulars.



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Jul 16 2019 11:49am
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I don’t see them moving either of the guys they just signed , those are much better value contracts than the nylander contract. And some cap hit would be coming back presumably. I see it being Nylander almost for certain with a 3-4 mil contract and pick coming back.


I just dont think they'd be able to get good value for Nylander is my reason for not including him, but he's definitely a possibility. I think as it stands right now, he's slightly overpaid and coming off one of the worst years of his career.
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Jul 16 2019 11:59am
Quote (GSG @ Jul 16 2019 11:49am)
I just dont think they'd be able to get good value for Nylander is my reason for not including him, but he's definitely a possibility. I think as it stands right now, he's slightly overpaid and coming off one of the worst years of his career.



Makes sense, I think nylander value is decent. IMO for a 20g scorer 6 mil is a good price , he’s only a bit over paid. And the bad year is eze to overlook considering his hold out. I’d be concerned about how much was him , how much was his line mates. I’m not sure where he played in the line-up last year vs the year before. The two 3.5 mil contracts would be easier no move no doubt tho, Toronto would much prefer to move Nylander tho I think.
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Jul 16 2019 02:13pm
Quote (remco6 @ Jul 16 2019 02:07am)
Yes , 4 years and less he’s rfa, 5 or more he’s ufa. Why would you want to go though this all again next year? He can file arbitration next year I believe if you did. He’s worth every cent of 10mil, that’s a bargain in fact.



I dont want to go through it again, but if we sign him for 10m on a multi year how do we have any defense next season.

Not saying marner isnt a 10 mill player but 40m on nylander/matthew/tavares/marner seems to much $$$ in one place
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