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Jun 16 2019 10:20pm
Quote (KrWWW @ Jun 16 2019 09:10pm)
Sens still had to protect Phaneuf iirc


Perhaps he would only waive to Ottawa if they agreed to uphold the clause.
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Jun 16 2019 10:22pm
Quote (Killingyouall @ Jun 16 2019 09:09pm)
I hope we can get him somehow. The Oilers probably don't want to trade him though, even if he wants out. His stock is at a low point in value and they probably think they can make him worth more and then trade him.

21 is still young and under the right guidance I still believe he can develop to be a solid top 6 player.

I agree with you on Lucic. Speed is such an important factor in todays game. Eriksson is slow but not Lucic slow. He can still somewhat player hockey on a bottom and pk role.

Lucic is so slow he is a liability despite the physical power he brings. It really is too bad because the Canucks need someone who can throw down and keep guys in line.

I still have no idea why Edmonton got him with the initial plan of playing with Mcdavid. He was a bit faster back then but still on the slow end. It was just a terrible idea, much like signing Eriksson to play with the Sedins initially when we were rebuilding anyways...

GM's fail miserably with their decisions sometimes.


Most mistakes are made when GMs think with their hearts instead of their brains. Lucic was coming off 55 points in LA and he was important for Chiarelli in Boston. Chia was blinded by what Lucic had done for him and didn't read the tea leaves.

Same thing got Lombardi fired in LA.

Feels like a lot of the time decisions are made by GMs based on what they think they know instead of the evidence right in front of their eyes.

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Jun 16 2019 10:24pm
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Most mistakes are made when GMs think with their hearts instead of their brains. Lucic was coming off 55 points in LA and he was important for Chiarelli in Boston. Chia was blinded by what Lucic had done for him and didn't read the tea leaves.

Same thing got Lombardi fired in LA.

Feels like a lot of the time decisions are made by GMs based on what they think they know instead of the evidence right in front of their eyes.


Good point. Kind of hard to pass on a guy when you have that kind of history. He saw him play in his prime front and center and probably figured he could do it again.
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Jun 16 2019 10:33pm
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Perhaps he would only waive to Ottawa if they agreed to uphold the clause.


Why would a player ever drop a nmc clause they have?

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Jun 16 2019 10:37pm
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Why would a player ever drop a nmc clause they have?


Sometimes the player will do it out of loyalty to help the team.

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Sometimes the player will do it out of loyalty to help the team.


Not to mention if they want to get out of the city they're in currently, which might have been the case with Phaneuf in Toronto.

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Jun 16 2019 10:46pm
Quote (KrWWW @ Jun 17 2019 12:33am)
Why would a player ever drop a nmc clause they have?


to go to a better team for a chance to win?

may not be the case here tho
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Jun 16 2019 10:53pm
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Sometimes the player will do it out of loyalty to help the team.


yeah, they'll approve it for the trade/expansion draft

they won't lose it afterwards

they still want it for waivers/minors
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Jun 17 2019 12:04am
Quote (LuLer @ 16 Jun 2019 20:53)
1. Why wouldn't players be able to waive their NMC to make them eligible to be selected by Seattle? It's a clause that they are allowed to enact or dismiss however they please.

2. NMCs and NTCs aren't carried over to the new team when a player is traded. The new team and the player can agree to uphold the clause if they want, but the team isn't obligated to do so. If Lucic is traded to the Canucks, they aren't going to honor his NMC and he'll know that going into it (which might kill the deal).


NMC is still carried over to the new team and must be honored til rest of the contract. So it doesn't matter if he waives it to go to a different team, he has NMC throughout his entire contract.
This means Lucic cannot be sent down to be buried in minors, waived, traded without his permission again with the Canucks.
That's why subban and some other players that had NMC kicking in were traded right before it became valid.

Another example is when Boyle signed an extension with Lightning only with a NTC, but when the new owners took over they didn't wanna pay him anymore. Basically the team/GM had him by the balls and told him to waive his NTC to SJ or get fucked by getting waived and get picked up to a shit team. Which forced Boyle to waive his NTC, but if he had an NMC he coulda told the GM to go fuck himself.

LE on the other hand only had NMC in his first 2 years which ran out, so he can still be sent down to minors, waived, and doesn't have to be protected in expansion draft and get the boyle treatment but benning is such a noice guy. Only NMC will require teams to be forced to protect the player.

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Jun 18 2019 09:13am
Sounds like Benning is one of the front runners for Zaitsev. I guess to replace Edler? Ha
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