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Jun 26 2018 09:39pm
Quote (KrWWW @ Jun 26 2018 09:23pm)
he's the puppet for Owners..

Everyone thinks Goodell is doing a bad job, he's doing what NFL owners want..



Goodell literally dropped the ball big time last year in regards to players kneeling. He isn’t doing a good job at all imo.



You my friend are comparing apples to oranges.
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Jun 26 2018 09:45pm
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Goodell literally dropped the ball big time last year in regards to players kneeling. He isn’t doing a good job at all imo.



You my friend are comparing apples to oranges.


you're missing the point.

bettman doesn't do anything that owners don't want

you don't last 3 lockouts if that's not what they want.
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Jun 26 2018 10:07pm
Quote (KrWWW @ Jun 26 2018 09:45pm)
you're missing the point.

bettman doesn't do anything that owners don't want

you don't last 3 lockouts if that's not what they want.


A league with 24 teams has grown to 31;
A league generating about $400 million of revenue annually pockets close to $5 billion;
A league without a television deal in the United States that guaranteed every playoff game was available now has one;
The average salary of a player has risen from $370,000 US to $3.2 million.

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A league with 24 teams has grown to 31;
A league generating about $400 million of revenue annually pockets close to $5 billion;
A league without a television deal in the United States that guaranteed every playoff game was available now has one;
The average salary of a player has risen from $370,000 US to $3.2 million.


come on man, did you literally repeat everything that involves nhl owners approval again?
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Jun 26 2018 10:25pm
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come on man, did you literally repeat everything that involves nhl owners approval again?



Yes. Cause wouldn’t of happened without bettman. Why are you trying to say otherwise. Every commish of every league is beholden to the owners, that’s not something “new”

This post was edited by Subzer0isGG on Jun 26 2018 10:26pm
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Jun 26 2018 10:54pm
you literally said Goodell wasn't doing what owners said...
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you literally said Goodell wasn't doing what owners said...



I think you need reading comp. I did not “literally” say that at all. He fumbled in regards to the kneeling soap opera that transpired last year. Here are some points against goodell

-While the game and the league are thriving, the foundation was laid by previous commissioners Bert Bell, Alvin Peter Rozelle, and Paul Tagliabue. Goodell has taken over a thriving league, and in his first eight years has presided over one failure and one embarrassment after another. It began with his vow to punish players for off-field conduct, ignoring whether such action was warranted, and it was exacerbated when he punished the Patriots in Spygate over a grossly inaccurate reading of his own rulebook.

Three years later he lashed out at New Orleans Saints players over side bets for hits on certain opponents, treating such a long-standing locker room practice to be some kind of assassination program - and overlooking the complete lack of any questionable hits administered by the accused players, a fact best displayed by analysis by the American Enterprise Institute. The Saints players fought back against Goodell and won (and Goodell was notably rebuked for it by former commissioner Paul Tagliabue), though he got his pound of flesh by suspending coach Sean Payton for the 2012 season, effectively costing the Saints a playoff run.

When he wasn't playing the role of thin-skinned bully he was cowering to mob-rule politics; when he suspended Ray Rice for two games TMZ released a video as what amounted to a blackmail campaign to bully the league into a harsher punishment - even though the video actually proved Ray Rice's argument in gaining a two-game suspension. Again, an appeal was launched and the player (Rice) won the appeal.

His qualification to be commissioner was questioned by sports law professor Jeffrey Standen, who noted Goodells' moralistic personality and lack of direct experience with the game and its operations - Goodell spent the bulk of his NFL career working in the league office - and noted that it took multiple votes by owners before Goodell was elected to be commissioner, an indication the league had reason for misgivings about Goodell's competence. Nowhere has Goodell disproved the doubts about his competence, and his handling of attacks on Tom Brady have shown his poor leadership at its worst - launching an investigation based on an impossible premise (the idea that footballs can be tampered with during a game) because a rival team with a history of failure (the Colts) complained and their media ran with the allegation.

Goodell's failings as commissioner have continued, where the same pattern of not doing his homework, not learning the subtleties of the game and game operations, and not knowing what does and does not constitute questionable behavior either off the field or in the rulebook have continued.


/end rant.

Bettman has done far more for the nhl, “with owners permission” than goodell has ever done for nfl. Stop being bias. I get that it sucks being a fanatic of hockey and having a commish who is locking out the league, I get it. But that does not take one iota away from the positives bettman has done. And it’s asinine to think otherwise.
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Jun 26 2018 11:32pm
Quote (Subzer0isGG @ Jun 27 2018 12:28am)
I think you need reading comp. I did not “literally” say that at all. He fumbled in regards to the kneeling soap opera that transpired last year. Here are some points against goodell

-While the game and the league are thriving, the foundation was laid by previous commissioners Bert Bell, Alvin Peter Rozelle, and Paul Tagliabue. Goodell has taken over a thriving league, and in his first eight years has presided over one failure and one embarrassment after another. It began with his vow to punish players for off-field conduct, ignoring whether such action was warranted, and it was exacerbated when he punished the Patriots in Spygate over a grossly inaccurate reading of his own rulebook.

Three years later he lashed out at New Orleans Saints players over side bets for hits on certain opponents, treating such a long-standing locker room practice to be some kind of assassination program - and overlooking the complete lack of any questionable hits administered by the accused players, a fact best displayed by analysis by the American Enterprise Institute. The Saints players fought back against Goodell and won (and Goodell was notably rebuked for it by former commissioner Paul Tagliabue), though he got his pound of flesh by suspending coach Sean Payton for the 2012 season, effectively costing the Saints a playoff run.

When he wasn't playing the role of thin-skinned bully he was cowering to mob-rule politics; when he suspended Ray Rice for two games TMZ released a video as what amounted to a blackmail campaign to bully the league into a harsher punishment - even though the video actually proved Ray Rice's argument in gaining a two-game suspension. Again, an appeal was launched and the player (Rice) won the appeal.

His qualification to be commissioner was questioned by sports law professor Jeffrey Standen, who noted Goodells' moralistic personality and lack of direct experience with the game and its operations - Goodell spent the bulk of his NFL career working in the league office - and noted that it took multiple votes by owners before Goodell was elected to be commissioner, an indication the league had reason for misgivings about Goodell's competence. Nowhere has Goodell disproved the doubts about his competence, and his handling of attacks on Tom Brady have shown his poor leadership at its worst - launching an investigation based on an impossible premise (the idea that footballs can be tampered with during a game) because a rival team with a history of failure (the Colts) complained and their media ran with the allegation.

Goodell's failings as commissioner have continued, where the same pattern of not doing his homework, not learning the subtleties of the game and game operations, and not knowing what does and does not constitute questionable behavior either off the field or in the rulebook have continued.


/end rant.

Bettman has done far more for the nhl, “with owners permission” than goodell has ever done for nfl. Stop being bias. I get that it sucks being a fanatic of hockey and having a commish who is locking out the league, I get it. But that does not take one iota away from the positives bettman has done. And it’s asinine to think otherwise.


Quote (Subzer0isGG @ Jun 26 2018 10:39pm)
Goodell literally dropped the ball big time last year in regards to players kneeling. He isn’t doing a good job at all imo.



You my friend are comparing apples to oranges.


hm it was all voted by owners in off-season to remove flag kneeling
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Jun 27 2018 12:03am
Quote (Subzer0isGG @ Jun 26 2018 11:08pm)
Bettman hands down. You guys are just haters.


A league with 24 teams has grown to 31;
A league generating about $400 million of revenue annually pockets close to $5 billion;
A league without a television deal in the United States that guaranteed every playoff game was available now has one;
The average salary of a player has risen from $370,000 US to $3.2 million.

We know about the lockouts and the pitfalls in certain cities but he’s done a lot for the game and I say congratulations Commissioner Bettman on your HHOF nod


imo all hes done is create lockouts and shortened seasons and said fuck you to canada trying to get another team in the nhl there could probably be like 34 teams in the league right now if it wasnt for bettman saying no
the profit revenue was easy technology advanced making that easy shit companies fighting over the tv contract selling a streaming service and online shopping ect ect did bettman create those technologies? any comish coulda did what he did in profits

defend him all you want there isnt a single hockey event thats televised that i havnt seen him get boo'd at in like years ..fans hate the guy for a reason for all the good he may have done it doesnt out weigh the bad

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imo all hes done is create lockouts and shortened seasons and said fuck you to canada trying to get another team in the nhl there could probably be like 34 teams in the league right now if it wasnt for bettman saying no
the profit revenue was easy technology advanced making that easy shit companies fighting over the tv contract selling a streaming service and online shopping ect ect did bettman create those technologies? any comish coulda did what he did in profits

defend him all you want there isnt a single hockey event thats televised that i havnt seen him get boo'd at in like years ..fans hate the guy for a reason for all the good he may have done it doesnt out weigh the bad


this is pretty funny

why do people not realize these titles are spokeman for owners
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