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You are simply wrong on this one, Che wasn't a racist,
"The blacks, those magnificent examples of the African race who have maintained their racial purity thanks to their lack of an affinity with bathing, have seen their territory invaded by a new kind of slave: the Portuguese."
"The black is indolent and a dreamer; spending his meager wage on frivolity or drink; the European has a tradition of work and saving, which has pursued him as far as this corner of America and drives him to advance himself, even independently of his own individual aspirations."
-Che
Yep, racist.
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mass murderer, didn't run "concentration camps", etc., etc.,
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'From 1959 to 1960, the new government carried out summary executions of at least 1,118 people by firing squad. Guevara himself presided over the notorious La Cabaña prison, where hundreds of the executions took place. For comparison's sake, the Batista regime was responsible for 747 noncombatant deaths between 1952 and 1959. The Cuban revolution under the direction of Guevara also saw the rise of forced labor camps which gave way a few years later to full-scale concentration camps. These were filled with dissidents, homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, Afro-Cuban priests, and anyone else who had committed "crimes" against the new moral revolution.'
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“Che set up the first forced labor camp, Guanahacabibes, in 1960. This camp was the precursor to the eventual systematic confinement, starting in 1965 in the province of Camagüey, of dissidents, homosexuals, AIDS victims, Catholics, Afro-Cuban priests, and other such scum, under the banner of Unidades Militares de Ayuda a la Producción, or Military Units to Help Production. Herded into buses and trucks, the “unfit” would be transported at gunpoint into concentration camps organized on the Guanahacabibes mold. Some would never return; others would be raped, beaten, or mutilated; and most would be traumatized for life,"
im 3/3 so far.
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“To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary.These procedures are an archaic bourgeois detail. This is a revolution! And a revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate.” – Che Guevara
An inspirational message for the kids, i'm sure.
That is coming from the man who was in charge of executions..
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and I'll reiterate, if the only reason you believe he is is because of that spam image you are a moron.
The image was a convenient summary and a sharp attack.
It was not where I learned that he was a despicable person.
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I think Che is a great role model because he was principled and saw what was being done to the people in South America and actually wanted to change things for the better. I also don't know if I'd consider him so much a communist as a Marxist in the purest sense, which is different from communism (which I consider more easily politicized and "applied"), which is one reason why he ended up in a mass grave in a Bolivia instead of living out his life in luxury like his buddies Fidel and Raul Castro.
I dont think its unfair to say he was a terrorist who desperately wanted Russia to nuke the United States.
There is evidence tying him to a plot to blow up Macy's, Gimbel's, Bloomingdales and Grand Central Station with 1200 pounds of TNT on Thanksgiving Day 1962.
Simply "having principles" is not a good trait if your principles suck.
He idolized Mao who brought unthinkable levels of death and devastation upon his own people.
His "principles" and Marxist ideology would bring about more suffering and absolute poverty.
He sought to eliminate the market economy and money. Astonishing levels of ignorance and insanity.
Fortunately he was an embarrassing failure of a man:
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A RECORD OF FAILURE
The one genuine accomplishment in Che Guevara’s life was the mass-murder of defenseless men and boys. Under his own gun, dozens died. Under his orders, thousands crumpled. At everything else Che Guevara failed abysmally, even comically. In 1965, while planning a military campaign in the Congo against crack mercenaries commanded by a professional soldier who helped defeat Rommel in North Africa, Che confidently allied himself with “soldiers” who used chicken feathers for helmets and stood in the open waving at attacking aircraft because a muganga (witch doctor) had assured them that the magic water he sprinkled over them would make .50 caliber bullets bounce harmlessly off their bodies. Six months later, Che fled Africa, narrowly escaping with his life and with his tail tucked tightly between his legs.
Two years later, during his Bolivian “guerrilla” campaign, Che split his forces, whereupon they got hopelessly lost and bumbled around, half-starved, half-clothed and half-shod, without any contact with each other for six months before being wiped out. They didn’t even have World War II vintage walkie-talkies to communicate and seemed incapable of applying a compass reading to a map. They spent much of the time walking in circles and were usually within a mile of each other. During this blundering, they often engaged in ferocious firefights against each other.
“You hate to laugh at anything associated with Che, who murdered so many,” says Felix Rodriguez, the Cuban- American CIA officer who played a key role in tracking Guevara down in Bolivia. “But when it comes to Che as ‘guerrilla,’ you simply can’t help but guffaw.”
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EDIT -- I'll make another off-topic point, since I remember you being a Libertarian and saw that Ron Paul quote of yours, regarding the Founding Fathers, in your signature:
-- Why idolize the Founding Fathers over Che Guevera? If the Founding Fathers would have had their way we'd have an extremely stratified society (well, we have it now, but it'd be more protected by the State) where only whites received rights, could vote, land ownership was required to vote, there was poll and literacy taxes, a draft, etc., etc.
Those cocksuckers are way off base to what we have now and to be honest they would be out of sync with most of the citizens in our country.
Che was an overwhelmingly despicable man across the board.
Some of the founding fathers had very serious flaws and i am critical of them for it. They also advocated freedom from government oppression, individual rights, and many good things.
No they didnt solve all the worlds problems, but they took huge steps in the right direction.
Che on the other hand advocated what amounts to the complete opposite of a free and prosperous society and sought out extremely violent and despicable means to force it upon others and end our very way of life.
This post was edited by cambovenzi on May 10 2014 12:20pm