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Jan 27 2020 07:55am
Quote (KrWWW @ 27 Jan 2020 14:24)
wow.

it's now coming out the Pilot shouldn't have even been flying, LA police grounded their helicopters

sadly private aviation that cater to the rich often don't say no to critical weather condition.

at the very least this should inspires some stricter private aviation laws

This post was edited by darki99 on Jan 27 2020 07:55am
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Jan 27 2020 07:58am
I struggle with classifying Kobe as a rapist tbh. Yes it is a little fishy that he settled out of court, but he was also in the prime of his career, so a long drawn out trial would not have been something he would desire for his brand, his family’s sake, and his focus on his game. Consent is and always has been tricky. People like to boil it down to “no means no” as if it’s really that simple, but in the heat of the moment it’s not always that clear. I’m not advocating rape, or the ignoring of non consensual signals, or victim blaming, or suggesting we should treat every sexual assault case with skepticism in any way. It is a tragedy how many allegations are carelessly dismissed, and how many men guilty of sexual assault are walking free today with no consequences. I’m just acknowledging that none of us were in that hotel room with them, so as much as we can speculate, none of us can say for certain what happened.

What I can say is that, despite the murkiness of the events of 2003, since then Kobe had a virtually spotless reputation as a man with high moral character. He was an active and loving father, known for his passion and work ethic, always willing to take younger guys under his wing, and sharing his love for basketball with the next generation. The fact that so many people are grieving him makes it clear how respected and loved he was, especially in the NBA community. I generally don’t like to let peoples’ past mistakes define them, especially ones we can’t even be 100% certain about. That’s my 2 cents

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Jan 27 2020 08:09am
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I struggle with classifying Kobe as a rapist tbh. Yes it is a little fishy that he settled out of court, but he was also in the prime of his career, so a long drawn out trial would not have been something he would desire for his brand, his family’s sake, and his focus on his game. Consent is and always has been tricky. People like to boil it down to “no means no” as if it’s really that simple, but in the heat of the moment it’s not always that clear. I’m not advocating rape, or the ignoring of non consensual signals, or victim blaming, or suggesting we should treat every sexual assault case with skepticism in any way. It is a tragedy how many allegations are carelessly dismissed, and how many men guilty of sexual assault are walking free today with no consequences. I’m just acknowledging that none of us were in that hotel room with them, so as much as we can speculate, none of us can say for certain what happened.

What I can say is that, despite the murkiness of the events of 2003, since then Kobe had a virtually spotless reputation as a man with high moral character. He was an active and loving father, known for his passion and work ethic, always willing to take younger guys under his wing, and sharing his love for basketball with the next generation. The fact that so many people are grieving him makes it clear how respected and loved he was, especially in the NBA community. I generally don’t like to let peoples’ past mistakes define them, especially ones we can’t even be 100% certain about. That’s my 2 cents


Yeah, the endorsements came back as soon as he settled, so he made money off just paying her off
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Jan 27 2020 08:14am
Quote (WrathOfGod1337 @ Jan 27 2020 08:58am)
I struggle with classifying Kobe as a rapist tbh. Yes it is a little fishy that he settled out of court, but he was also in the prime of his career, so a long drawn out trial would not have been something he would desire for his brand, his family’s sake, and his focus on his game. Consent is and always has been tricky. People like to boil it down to “no means no” as if it’s really that simple, but in the heat of the moment it’s not always that clear. I’m not advocating rape, or the ignoring of non consensual signals, or victim blaming, or suggesting we should treat every sexual assault case with skepticism in any way. It is a tragedy how many allegations are carelessly dismissed, and how many men guilty of sexual assault are walking free today with no consequences. I’m just acknowledging that none of us were in that hotel room with them, so as much as we can speculate, none of us can say for certain what happened.

What I can say is that, despite the murkiness of the events of 2003, since then Kobe had a virtually spotless reputation as a man with high moral character. He was an active and loving father, known for his passion and work ethic, always willing to take younger guys under his wing, and sharing his love for basketball with the next generation. The fact that so many people are grieving him makes it clear how respected and loved he was, especially in the NBA community. I generally don’t like to let peoples’ past mistakes define them, especially ones we can’t even be 100% certain about. That’s my 2 cents


Alot of excellent points here.

I know people are getting all bent out of shape about my comment, but it was really only directed toward how I feel

If you want to celebrate Kobe, you can

My first post said I'm torn and it's because I am.

If there weren't children or any other people that also perished, I honestly dont know how I would feel.

Also, i said rape but i should have said sexual assault.

This case was a pretty gray area. At best he cheated on his wife, at worst he committed sexual assault.

Just because she didnt testify and he paid her off, doesnt mean hes guilty or innocent. But the facts of the case are pretty damning.

I guess I will grieve for him but the thought of what happened that night shouldn't be forgotten
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Jan 27 2020 08:18am
Quote (Fgs @ Jan 27 2020 09:14am)
Alot of excellent points here.

I know people are getting all bent out of shape about my comment, but it was really only directed toward how I feel

If you want to celebrate Kobe, you can

My first post said I'm torn and it's because I am.

If there weren't children or any other people that also perished, I honestly dont know how I would feel.

Also, i said rape but i should have said sexual assault.

This case was a pretty gray area. At best he cheated on his wife, at worst he committed sexual assault.

Just because she didnt testify and he paid her off, doesnt mean hes guilty or innocent. But the facts of the case are pretty damning.

I guess I will grieve for him but the thought of what happened that night shouldn't be forgotten


Agreed, I like the quote you posted earlier about it being an uncomfortable mark on his life that you can’t ignore. I think that’s a good way to put it
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Jan 27 2020 08:21am
Quote (Fgs @ 27 Jan 2020 08:47)
I think Ramona Shellburne said it best when she said "it's just there. It's an uncomfortable mark that just sits there. You can't ignore it." I paraphrased because I forget the exact words she used this morning on espn


Quote (Fgs @ 27 Jan 2020 09:14)
Alot of excellent points here.

I know people are getting all bent out of shape about my comment, but it was really only directed toward how I feel

If you want to celebrate Kobe, you can

My first post said I'm torn and it's because I am.

If there weren't children or any other people that also perished, I honestly dont know how I would feel.

Also, i said rape but i should have said sexual assault.

This case was a pretty gray area. At best he cheated on his wife, at worst he committed sexual assault.

Just because she didnt testify and he paid her off, doesnt mean hes guilty or innocent. But the facts of the case are pretty damning.

I guess I will grieve for him but the thought of what happened that night shouldn't be forgotten


Right on the money.
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Jan 27 2020 08:35am
Quote (Vilify @ Jan 26 2020 09:43pm)
If Michael Jordan died in this manner you don't think the league would retire his number?



This.

It’s not just because he was arguably the GOAT. It’s also because of the sudden, tragic loss.
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Jan 27 2020 08:36am
already something about him up on hulu
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Jan 27 2020 08:41am
Quote (Fgs @ 27 Jan 2020 13:44)
I'm really torn here

I grieve way more for his daughter and the others on the plane.

Kobe was a legend on the court, but we forgot who he was off the court

He literally raped a 19 year old girl. He strangled her.

We cant just forget this because he died.


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Jan 27 2020 09:14am
‪LeBron on passing Kobe for 3rd most points in NBA history‬ less than 24 hours before Kobe's death:

‪“It’s just too much. In Philadelphia, where he’s from, where one of the first times I ever met him in this city during All-Star week…it’s surreal. It doesn’t make any sense, but the universe just puts things in your life…I’m happy just to be in any conversation with Kobe Bean Bryant, one of the all-time greatest basketball players to ever play, one of the all-time greatest Lakers. The man has two jerseys hanging up in Staples Center, it’s just crazy”‬

The timing of all this was crazy. RIP
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