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#61
Oct 15 2020 10:36am
Quote (Sixers @ Oct 15 2020 09:32am)
Crazy Stats posted this and I thought it was pretty crazy to think about too

There have been 57 NBA Finals games played over the last 10 seasons. LeBron James has played in 51 of the 57 games.


did you forget that stat that LeBron has made the NBA finals 8 seasons in a row? how wouldn't he have played in the majority of them if he just missed last season? It's not that crazy when he had no competition on the East for those 8 seasons. I earlier posted how many teams over 50 and 60 wins did Jordan and LeBron beat and LeBron was laughable.
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Oct 15 2020 10:36am
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Crazy Stats posted this and I thought it was pretty crazy to think about too

There have been 57 NBA Finals games played over the last 10 seasons. LeBron James has played in 51 of the 57 games.

It was pretty crazy hearing during the finals it was the 25th finals game between Lebron & Iggy. 25th!!
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Oct 15 2020 10:45am
Quote (Sixers @ 14 Oct 2020 14:19)
LeBron is comparable to Magic in his passing ability and size, as well as IQ, but what else? LeBron is a MUCH better athlete in general, defender, scorer, shooter, etc. LeBron could lead the league in scoring every season if he wanted to, but that's not what he wants to do. Instead, he's leading the NBA in assists per game (and was #2 in APG two seasons ago) because he's a team player and his passing skills make guys around him better.

I mean LeBron is just an overall complete player, more so than anyone else in the history of the game. There has never been a player that is as big as he is, as strong as he is, while being so fast and agile with the all-time great passing skills and court vision, while having the ability to average the 4th best career points per game in NBA history (27.07) all through a 17 year career. This guy is 6'9'' 260 lbs running point guard in his 17th season averaging 25/10/8 leading the league in assists and was runner up for league MVP. And like you said, his shooting has become very respectable over his career shooting 36% from 3pt over the last 10 seasons.

The debate will forever go on, and there are a lot of LeBron haters out there that will hate him and choose Jordan no matter what he does. Especially with LeBron speaking out against Trump, that has made a lot of Trump supporters hate LeBron and push Jordan even more.


I'm all for his distaste for Trump :)

Obvs Lebron is better than Magic and Jordan is better than Kobe but those are the guys they should be compared against, because nobody else really played like they did. And if Kobe had come first, Jordan would've needed to surpass him for GOAT consideration, whereas Lebron needed to surpass Magic (it doesn't matter that Jordan surpassed magic because that comparison makes no sense whatsoever). Comparing MJ and Lebron is unfair to both of them--that was my point. I just tried to find better objects of comparison. I see Lebron as a point forward rather than a point guard, but that distinction doesn't matter much in today's NBA. He can guard pretty much every position depending on the individual opponent. Jordan was a shooting guard but he played the position more as an attacking guard than anything else.
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Oct 15 2020 11:02am
Quote (IgoSoHard @ Oct 15 2020 12:30pm)
What’d you mean ? He had Dwade AND Drose ? No, you’re right, I forgot Kyrie wasn’t there that year. That’s my point though, neither won without a 2nd star.



I hear you, I’ve made the “look what the bulls did when Jordan retired” argument on jsp more than literally anybody else.

Young Lebron also wasn’t going up against historically great teams, like the Bad Boy Pistons & Bird’s Celtics haha


like when he dropped 50 on the pistons in 07 with 30 coming in the 4th and OT wehre he absolutely destroyed a team known for defense?

a team 1 year removed from a 7 games finals with the spurs and 2 years from shitkicking the shaq and kobe lakers in the finals?

ah, good call
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Oct 15 2020 11:05am
Quote (MigNado @ Oct 15 2020 12:36pm)
did you forget that stat that LeBron has made the NBA finals 8 seasons in a row? how wouldn't he have played in the majority of them if he just missed last season? It's not that crazy when he had no competition on the East for those 8 seasons. I earlier posted how many teams over 50 and 60 wins did Jordan and LeBron beat and LeBron was laughable.


The 90's was an expansion time for the NBA. Between the years of 1988 and 1995, the NBA expanded. Six teams were added: the Hornets (88), Heat (1988), Magic (1989), Timberwolves (1989), Raptors (1995), and Grizzlies (1995).

While there were some top heavy teams, a lot of the league was straight up garbage and the talent level was laughable. A lot of this is attributed to the NBA not being as global as it is now, and not recruiting talent from around the world the way it does now. For the top teams, getting 50 or 60 wins was not as difficult as it is now when the league is so deep and even bottom feeder teams with bad records have multiple star players.

Also, who did Jordan BEAT in his prime? What prime year opponents did he beat? Don't fucking worry, i'll wait.....

Will just leave this here:

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Michael Jordan faced 16 Hall of Famers during the playoffs on 39 occasions. He posted a winning record against six of the 16, a tied record with one, and a losing record with 9 of the 16. His total record in the playoffs against Hall of Fame opponents was 17-22, with 10 of his 17 wins coming against Patrick Ewing, Charles Barkley and Alonzo Mourning alone. If you include his Finals appearances, MJ faced 24 Hall of Famers on 48 separate occasions, with a final postseason record of 26–22, or 54%.

The problem with this is that 20% of his entire postseason wins came against three players who never won rings. The biggest issue with Jordan's career is he never beat an opponent of his caliber in their prime. Another knock on his career is that of the fifteen Hall of Fame opponents he faced more than once in the postseason, he only posted a winning record against four.


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Oct 15 2020 11:09am
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like when he dropped 50 on the pistons in 07 with 30 coming in the 4th and OT wehre he absolutely destroyed a team known for defense?

a team 1 year removed from a 7 games finals with the spurs and 2 years from shitkicking the shaq and kobe lakers in the finals?

ah, good call


That's one of the biggest highlights in LeBron's career that I recall. I remember we were all going crazy here, and that's when I first remember hearing people say "wow this guy really could be the GOAT one day"

Was insane, especially against that Pistons team known for their stout defense. This was the definition of taking over a game single handedly.



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Oct 15 2020 11:18am
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like when he dropped 50 on the pistons in 07 with 30 coming in the 4th and OT wehre he absolutely destroyed a team known for defense?

a team 1 year removed from a 7 games finals with the spurs and 2 years from shitkicking the shaq and kobe lakers in the finals?

ah, good call

Quote (stuartg85 @ Oct 15 2020 12:02pm)
like when he dropped 50 on the pistons in 07 with 30 coming in the 4th and OT wehre he absolutely destroyed a team known for defense?

a team 1 year removed from a 7 games finals with the spurs and 2 years from shitkicking the shaq and kobe lakers in the finals?

ah, good call


That was not one of the historically great teams, no, like I said.
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Oct 15 2020 11:31am
Quote (IgoSoHard @ Oct 15 2020 01:18pm)
That was not one of the historically great teams, no, like I said.


gotta love the term "historically good" as though it means shit

maybe the competition was all just shit? teams rise and fade all the time

all we do know, is a pistons team that held shaq and kobe to under 100 5 straight games in the finals a few years earlier got absolutely destroyed by lebron as a child with a team of D leaguers at his side
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Oct 15 2020 11:37am
Quote (stuartg85 @ Oct 15 2020 12:31pm)
gotta love the term "historically good" as though it means shit

maybe the competition was all just shit? teams rise and fade all the time

all we do know, is a pistons team that held shaq and kobe to under 100 5 straight games in the finals a few years earlier got absolutely destroyed by lebron as a child with a team of D leaguers at his side

Uh, what ? Some teams are historically good, some are not.

I mean, okay ? Jordan did the exact same thing, except better, versus an even better team
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Oct 15 2020 11:42am
Quote (IgoSoHard @ Oct 15 2020 01:37pm)
Uh, what ? Some teams are historically good, some are not.

I mean, okay ? Jordan did the exact same thing, except better, versus an even better team


jordan lost

the celtics were a better team but not known for defense

lebron had 10 dimes and 8 rebounds

also, didn't jordan have like 25 free throws? lol

rofl, just googled it and this popped up from that game too...

"All in all, the Celtics scored 31 points when Jordan was the primary defender in the game, the most allowed by any player on either side."

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