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May 5 2020 09:03am
Quote (Dominicano @ May 4 2020 10:47pm)
Bro, Damian Lillard this year is INSANE, him and Embiid are interchangable but I also provided 7-8 other players that are also better than Embiid. I still have Embiid in my top 10, so I dont need you diatribe about him, but hes legitly not better than the afformentioned players..

As you stated Lebron Giannis and Kiwi are all better than him. I am going to ignore your idiotic reasons as to why you think AD & Harden are not better than Embiid even though statistically you know for a FACT they are.. Luka is also better, thats 6, KD is better when healthy as you stated, thats 7, then Curry at 8, Embiid squeeks in at 9 and barely. Because to me I would clearly put Damian Lillard at 9 and Embiid at 10..

Im going to ignore your blatant disrespect on Curry which doesnt even make sense about "taking the pressure off of him," with Players around him because CURRY is the one with the gravity that allows others to play better; as exemplified by his on/off court numbers and +/-... His back to back MVP, one unanimous is not up for discussion, he is.. legendary...

Your lucky im giving you any props for Embiid tbh..

Regardless, you are just sitting here trying to defend your boy, which I get, & I'm glad you dropped the Siakam argument, because he is NOT top 15 let alone top 20...


Embiid > Curry. One just turned 26, the other just turned 32.

Also, the injury health excuse? Embiid has played 171 regular season games in the past 3 seasons. Curry? He has played in 125 games during that same span. If someone had to pick just one to build their team around, there's absolutely no way anyone can take Curry with a straight face at this point.

lmk when Curry can play above average defense, let alone anchor a defense and be a DPOY candidate while being a top 4 scorer in the league and far and away the most dominant post scorer in the league. We all saw what Curry can do by himself, he gets smothered because his mediocre NBA athleticism gets exposed and all it took was a box-and-1 to completely shut him down. Then we thought it was just because the Raptors played that good of defense, but the new season came around and he STILL looked like ass withoout Klay and KD. Curry needs good defenders around him to cover up for his deficiencies on that end of the floor.

Also, i'm not sure i'm understanding your argument with AD saying statistically he's better? Last I checked Embiid had a better season than AD last year. Embiid averaged 28/14/4 last season while finishing #3 in DPOY voting (finished #2 the season before). That is as good or better than any season AD has ever had.


You may not value defense as much as me, or as much as many people, but players who can only play half the game at a high level aren't complete superstars. That's a fact. You can drop 30 a game and take insanely deep 3's all night long, if you can't stop the man in front of you on the other end and your teammates have to defend the best scorers on the other team how can you call yourself the true alpha? You can't be a top 5 player but have too be hidden on defense because you can't stop your own shadow. If that's the case then I guess Trae Young is a less glorified Curry and a top 5 player?

This post was edited by Sixers on May 5 2020 09:06am
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May 5 2020 09:20am
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Embiid > Curry. One just turned 26, the other just turned 32.

Also, the injury health excuse? Embiid has played 171 regular season games in the past 3 seasons. Curry? He has played in 125 games during that same span. If someone had to pick just one to build their team around, there's absolutely no way anyone can take Curry with a straight face at this point.

lmk when Curry can play above average defense, let alone anchor a defense and be a DPOY candidate while being a top 4 scorer in the league and far and away the most dominant post scorer in the league. We all saw what Curry can do by himself, he gets smothered because his mediocre NBA athleticism gets exposed and all it took was a box-and-1 to completely shut him down. Then we thought it was just because the Raptors played that good of defense, but the new season came around and he STILL looked like ass withoout Klay and KD. Curry needs good defenders around him to cover up for his deficiencies on that end of the floor.

Also, i'm not sure i'm understanding your argument with AD saying statistically he's better? Last I checked Embiid had a better season than AD last year. Embiid averaged 28/14/4 last season while finishing #3 in DPOY voting (finished #2 the season before). That is as good or better than any season AD has ever had.


You may not value defense as much as me, or as much as many people, but players who can only play half the game at a high level aren't complete superstars. That's a fact. You can drop 30 a game and take insanely deep 3's all night long, if you can't stop the man in front of you on the other end and your teammates have to defend the best scorers on the other team how can you call yourself the true alpha? You can't be a top 5 player but have too be hidden on defense because you can't stop your own shadow. If that's the case then I guess Trae Young is a less glorified Curry and a top 5 player?


Curry isn’t a top 5 player he’s not even top 10 - look how bad he was exposed when he didn’t have Klay and KD to defer to - Nick Nurse locked that man down with a box and 1 ....

Sure he’s the best shooter the game has ever seen ....

But he’s a piss poor defender and a mediocre floor general when he doesn’t have a team of stacked superstars around him .

I have a strong dislike for Embiid - but if it’s Embiid or Curry - 100/100 times I’m taking Embiid , even with his trolling

This post was edited by DeRozan on May 5 2020 09:21am
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May 5 2020 10:05am
Quote (WrathOfGod1337 @ May 5 2020 10:21am)
You literally said that an all-star who was the second best player on a championship team and then carried that team to a better than expected record and would have made the playoffs if they were happening as the best player is a tier below “prime/healthy” Darius Miles, a guy who never made an all-star team and never averaged more than 14 points a game.

And you don’t see the asininity of that comparison.


But but but.. I wasn’t even comparing them?

Learn to read.. tell me again how Luke Kennard is better than CJ McCollum.
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May 5 2020 10:17am
Quote (Sixers @ May 5 2020 08:03am)
Embiid > Curry. One just turned 26, the other just turned 32.

Also, the injury health excuse? Embiid has played 171 regular season games in the past 3 seasons. Curry? He has played in 125 games during that same span. If someone had to pick just one to build their team around, there's absolutely no way anyone can take Curry with a straight face at this point.

lmk when Curry can play above average defense, let alone anchor a defense and be a DPOY candidate while being a top 4 scorer in the league and far and away the most dominant post scorer in the league. We all saw what Curry can do by himself, he gets smothered because his mediocre NBA athleticism gets exposed and all it took was a box-and-1 to completely shut him down. Then we thought it was just because the Raptors played that good of defense, but the new season came around and he STILL looked like ass withoout Klay and KD. Curry needs good defenders around him to cover up for his deficiencies on that end of the floor.

Also, i'm not sure i'm understanding your argument with AD saying statistically he's better? Last I checked Embiid had a better season than AD last year. Embiid averaged 28/14/4 last season while finishing #3 in DPOY voting (finished #2 the season before). That is as good or better than any season AD has ever had.


You may not value defense as much as me, or as much as many people, but players who can only play half the game at a high level aren't complete superstars. That's a fact. You can drop 30 a game and take insanely deep 3's all night long, if you can't stop the man in front of you on the other end and your teammates have to defend the best scorers on the other team how can you call yourself the true alpha? You can't be a top 5 player but have too be hidden on defense because you can't stop your own shadow. If that's the case then I guess Trae Young is a less glorified Curry and a top 5 player?



1: imagine bringing up age on a ranking of who is a better player. Also a team in the last 3 seasons resting stars while winning chips. Not even gonna bother there.

2: I’m going to assume your literally just trying your little hardest to even think Embiid is on the same planet as Curry. Before he had “all these stars around him,” even though y’all fall Draymond a bum now & Klay was the only offensive star after him before KD, Curry won 2 MVPs, one unanimous in one of the best seasons in the history of the game. & as I said, it is a waste of time for me to throw you out all the advanced stats that Curry is vastly better than Embiid on, so I won’t, this isn’t really an argument I’m going to entertain, Curry is just so much better and the gap is so wide its not even funny. Let me know when Embiid matches anywhere near Curry’s pre KD numbers (since you say he needs stars LOL) , heck let me know when Embiid averages a Value over replacement over 4 ever in his career, BPM over 10, (Embiid can’t get over 6?) Win Shares, Value Added, ANYTHING LOL.. even your “stout defender” can barely hover over +1 DPM 😂😂 please sit down in your fucking corner. Embiid & the Sixers have reached their plateau, you really hated windmills but you guys sure built yourself a luxury one.


& AD argument is also better in every advanced metric, while averaging 28 & 13 last year on BETTER defensive rating. I’m at work but I can do this AD vs Embiid comparison if you’d like.
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May 5 2020 11:04am
Quote (UnEvilManiac @ May 4 2020 09:15pm)
kids can't even read what i actually said before they ramble about nonsense.
shocking.
tell me again how josh hart is better than lillard.

lakers fans can't even win the ship when LBJ gets gifted AD.
hilarious.


Can't even win the ship when the season has been put to a halt!? :blink:
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May 5 2020 11:11am
Quote (MigNado @ May 5 2020 01:04pm)
Can't even win the ship when the season has been put to a halt!? :blink:



You just bit the bait sir
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May 5 2020 11:16am
Quote (DeRozan @ May 5 2020 10:11am)
You just bit the bait sir


dammit. i'll see myself out.
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May 5 2020 11:26am
Lakers are soft, they'd be on upset alert in round 1. Not that they'd actually lose to the Grizz or Blazers but I think they could make them sweat a little bit

in all seriousness it probably comes down to WCF Lakers vs Clippers. I'd have Clippers over Lakers for sure, especially with plus money on the Clips
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May 5 2020 11:41am
Quote (Winlaw @ May 5 2020 12:05pm)
But but but.. I wasn’t even comparing them?

Learn to read.. tell me again how Luke Kennard is better than CJ McCollum.



😂
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May 5 2020 12:31pm
Quote (WrathOfGod1337 @ May 5 2020 01:41pm)
😂


I'm confused by his post lol.

I thought your comment was directed to UnEvilManiac right?
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