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The best mentality is a winning mentality. If the jazz can discover a strong successful culture then it will transcend from the coach all the way down to the role players on limited minutes.. All it takes is a few wins and everyone builds confidence.

Similar to what the hawks have done this season. Jazz have the potential pieces, just a matter of them all finding the confidence and development to win games now. Huge potential there.

I would rather be in Utahs position that Philadelphia's.

This post was edited by Kimtown on Feb 17 2015 10:57pm

Difference is, this is just the ground floor for the 76ers. They completely tore the house apart, gutted everything and have started from the base up. They not only have the best salary cap situation in the NBA, with the most flexibility, but they're also loaded with far more draft picks over the next few years than any other team in the league. They've basically put themselves in a position to continue to load up year after year with young talent until a core is assembled via the draft.

As I stated before, the 76ers currently have a team that uses 6 or 7 rookies a game (in a 9 or 10 man rotation of players) and 3 or 4 rookies starting every night. And then the rest are guys that are only in their second year. It's unheard of really to ever see a team with this little experience and yet they continue to get better this season (8-13 in their last 21 games and 4-4 in the last 8 games after starting the season 0-17) and aren't even the worst 2 records in the league. This is just the floor though, as I pointed out we'll be adding two top 3 lottery picks to the team next season (Embiid & 2015 1st) along with another 1st & countless 2nd round picks that Hinkie has piled up (and found useful).

Utah did not take quite take that same extreme approach in a rebuild. They have some nice young players though no doubt. Thus far though, Exum's lack of production has been nothing short of a disappointment in Utah. Kid is young and raw, but he has certainly been a flop thus far for his rookie expectations and has people in Utah a little concerned hoping he rebounds in the next year or two and shows something. He came into the NBA as a potential boom or bust player, high ceiling but could be a massive bust and that's scary right now.


Not to mention we'll take Brett Brown over Quin Snyder in developing these guys any day. In Hinkie we trust.

Maybe in a few years both these teams will be playoff contenders though.

This post was edited by MCW on Feb 17 2015 11:16pm

Noel is a rookie, and he's 20 years old...

Gobert is a second year player, and he's 22...

rofl

Snyder has already got a lot out of the young Utah squad, all their players have stepped up immensely.. The Jazz have 3-4 players with all star potential, Gobert, Haywardgod, Burks and 2 point guards in Burke and Exum who could be anything. That's far more than the Sixers have, they have possibly 1 potential all star, Noel... and even then who knows.

Just because the Sixers are younger, and were taken higher in the draft, doesn't mean they have more potential, and it definitely doesn't mean they WILL fulfull it.

This post was edited by Kimtown on Feb 18 2015 02:35am

lolwut

Embiid? Who has more potential than any player the Jazz have...

And it's hard to tell when you have a bunch of rookies. Plus, once MCW gets shooters around him and more go-to scorers he will see his FG % increase (fewer shots) and can be the pure PG he's supposed to be. He's a triple-double threat every night (averaging 15/7/6) and turning into a pretty good defender on top, juts needs to be more efficient shooting. So if you seriously think Trey Burks has has All-Star potential then MCW DEFINITELY has it lol...

But if Exum has all-star potential, then the 76ers have a bunch of rookies with all-star potential LOL. Because Exum has shown very little to make anyone think he's a potential All-Star.

And Alec Burks has all-star potential? Not sure if srs....that's a joke, right? You're reaching there too.


Eithe way, it's difficult to judge these guys when they're so young and raw. We have to wait a few years and see what happens really. But yes, a higher draft pick means that player was rated higher, and regarded as a better prospect....so I mean, yes it does mean they have more potential, doesn't mean they'll fulfill it though.

This post was edited by MCW on Feb 18 2015 08:29am

this thread made me look up Exum's stats... averaging almost 30mins/game but with 24% shooting (6.5 shots per game) and 4ppg.. averaging half of a free throw a game

is he just not allowed to touch the ball on offense??

Hayward is already entering his prime years. It's unfair to compare rookie and second year players to him who has been in the league for 5 years

But Gobert is a legit good prospect.

Not sure how you can name Burke and Exum as legit prospects when they are doing even worse than MCW and Noel. Exum and Burke both are in no way of all star caliber potential players at least not yet.


Seriously I don't care what you guys think about the Sixers future. You can say Celtics, Bucks, Magic, Jazz, Knicks, blah blah have better future than us because it's your opinion.

My opinion is I like our chances because I really like how the new FO thinks and do things.



Also I don't know if I want to be in Utah's shoes in the West. You need a star player to be able to compete in the West and Jazz has none. Hayward is a good player but at best, he would be third best player on most ship contending team.
I'm not hating on Jazz or anything but it's the truth. They won't be able to do anything with the core they currently have in the West. Maybe if they were in the East, it would be different.
Seriously there is a reason why they let go of D Will, Boozer, Korver, Paul Millsap, Big Al because they were stuck in mediocrity. Those players make you a contender in the East.

This post was edited by Nerlens on Feb 18 2015 11:58am

Oops I meant embiid, not nerlens... My bad I get confused between the two. The only reason I rate Exum as all star potential is because of his length, quick first step and smooth jumper.. He has the ball IQ too.. Dunno why but he just doesn't play aggressive enough, he has all the tools just not the confidence. If he ever picks that up he will be a gem, but yeah hes australian do I'm probably just blind homering without even seeing it.

And Alec Burks could be a star, he has all the tools to be legit. He's still young, just like the Sixers.



See above. But yeah them being in the west does hurt a lot you're right.



I haven't watched much Jazz since after New Years, but at the start of the season he just looked really timid. He doesn't look to score or get assists, he just brings the ball up the court and passes it too Burkes or Godron who do all the work. But ask SaF, rust or tamura they can tell you more than I can no doubt.

This post was edited by Kimtown on Feb 18 2015 02:39pm