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Dec 13 2014 10:41pm
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You are practically making my point for me. That 2012-13 Kentuky team only won by 3 points at home to a vastly inferior MD roster that lacked a true point guard. Turgeon has never had a McDonald's all-American on his roster until this year, while that 2012-13 team, which was Coach Cal's worst team, still had 2 McDonalds all-Americans on it. If Calipari doesn't recruit a tremendous amount of talent, then he cannot hope to win. This is why he was beaten by an even more inferior Robert Morris squad: better coaches can win games by coaching their players up. Meanwhile, Turgeon can take a squad full of nobodies and compete with teams like Duke, UNC, and Virginia, which he did last year.

Don't get me wrong, Calipari provides a valuable service to his players by preparing them for the NBA, but he is not a good coach. Give an elite coach like Coach K, Roy Williams, or Mark Turgeon a lineup studded with McDonalds All-Americans and they'll make the Sweet-16 every year.


2010-elite 8 35-3
2011-final 4 29-9
2012-national championship 38-2
2013-21-12
2014-lost in the championship, runner up 29-11
2015- 11-0 (??)

please tell me more about how cal doesnt make it to the sweet 16 every year? lol
maybe if turgeon coached at a school where good players wanted to go we wouldn't have to argue this and he would have equal talent to compete against.
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2010-elite 8 35-3
2011-final 429-9
2012-national championship 38-2
2013-21-12
2014-lost in the championship, runner up29-11
2015- 11-0 (??)

please tell me more about how cal doesnt make it to the sweet 16 every year? lol
maybe if turgeon coached at a school where good players wanted to go we wouldn't have to argue this and he would have equal talent to compete against.


He didn't make the sweet 16 every year, he lost to Robert Morris in the first round of the NIT. You must have blocked it out of your memory or something.



Remember? My point is that an elite, or even just a serviceable coach, would have been able to lead this team to an NCAA tournament appearance.
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Dec 13 2014 10:53pm
As shown with the blank year and no accomplishment that year. Let's see where your proclaimed coaches finished the past 5 years. It's not worth arguing, numbers don't lie and neither does the ball. Kentucky has been dominant and top caliber since the 1940s and have won with multiple coaches through multiple decades. We will continue to have fun teams to watch with players to follow into the nba and cheer for. Turgeon has no ncaa appearances let alone sweet 16s, how are you even mentioning this guy in this mix of names? I'm a kentucky fan but I sure as fuck don't bring up Billie gillespies name.

That Maryland team had Alex Len... Turgeon in 4 years at A&M didn't come close to matching what Billy gillispie did in the 3 years prior at Texas and Gillespie sucked ass at uk with the same top notch players cal has yet is still a better coach than turgeon lmao.Turgeon is 5-5 in ncaa tourney, all from a&m days and in his 4th year at Maryland they are finally ranked.

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Dec 13 2014 11:01pm
I'm not saying Calipari is bad at coaching, just that he isn't very good. It's an immutable truth that he cannot succeed without a tremendous amount of talent on his roster to mask his shortcomings as a poor coach. Give an elite coach like Turgeon as many McDolan's all-americans as Calipari had and he would have at least 3 Championships and 3 final-four appearances.
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Dec 13 2014 11:06pm
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I'm not saying Calipari is bad at coaching, just that he isn't very good. It's an immutable truth that he cannot succeed without a tremendous amount of talent on his roster to mask his shortcomings as a poor coach. Give an elite coach like Turgeon as many McDolan's all-americans as Calipari had and he would have at least 3 Championships and 3 final-four appearances.



turgeon couldnt even compare to gillispie when he left A&M, who then failed miserably at uk with the same talent that cal has had. Showing a coach that is superior to Turgeon isnt even acceptable mentioned as a coach at an elite school like kentucky. all opinions can be respected but saying turgeon is an elite coach is a few small steps short of bitg level comments
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Dec 13 2014 11:11pm
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turgeon couldnt even compare to gillispie when he left A&M, who then failed miserably at uk with the same talent that cal has had. Showing a coach that is superior to Turgeon isnt even acceptable mentioned as a coach at an elite school like kentucky. all opinions can be respected but saying turgeon is an elite coach is a few small steps short of bitg level comments


I think Turgeon's eliteness speaks for itself, considering what he has done with an inferior roster. I mean Turge is basically doing what Calipari is doing now (leading a team full of freshmen and first-year players to a 10-1 record), but he is doing it with inferior talent (1 McDolan's All-American, and missing their best, most experienced player), while Calipari needs a team with 9 McDolan's all-americans to do just about as good.
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Dec 13 2014 11:22pm
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I think Turgeon's eliteness speaks for itself, considering what he has done with an inferior roster. I mean Turge is basically doing what Calipari is doing now (leading a team full of freshmen and first-year players to a 10-1 record), but he is doing it with inferior talent (1 McDolan's All-American, and missing their best, most experienced player), while Calipari needs a team with 9 McDolan's all-americans to do just about as good.


Just about as good? Lol losing by 11 at home to Virginia ( one of the only good teams you've played ) is just as good as beating Kansas by 32 at a neutral site? Cruise controlling unc with a 15-20 point lead most the game and taking Texas down by 12 while rotating 9-10 players giving them all nba exposure and still being successful. Absolutely the same thing.
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Dec 13 2014 11:25pm
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Just about as good? Lol losing by 11 at home to Virginia ( one of the only good teams you've played ) is just as good as beating Kansas by 32 at a neutral site? Cruise controlling unc with a 15-20 point lead most the game and taking Texas down by 12 while rotating 9-10 players giving them all nba exposure and still being successful. Absolutely the same thing.


Agreed. I mean Calipari is still pretty young. If he keeps at it he might develop into a coach almost as good as like Mike Brey or Scott Drew or some other good, but not elite coach. It's not an attack on Calipari, just an honest observation.
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Dec 13 2014 11:30pm
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Agreed. I mean Calipari is still pretty young. If he keeps at it he might develop into a coach almost as good as like Mike Brey or Scott Drew or some other good, but not elite coach. It's not an attack on Calipari, just an honest observation.


none of the coaches youve named will be remembered in history or written into to as cal will be. Dudes scandal doesnt negate his coaching career at memphis and umass not to mention what he did at uk coming into the most criticizing state to coach basketball in after an epic failure presented by gillispie left the university in dismay. A coach that failed yet still accomplished more at Texas A&M than your boy ever did.

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Just about as good? Lol losing by 11 at home to Virginia ( one of the only good teams you've played ) is just as good as beating Kansas by 32 at a neutral site? Cruise controlling unc with a 15-20 point lead most the game and taking Texas down by 12 while rotating 9-10 players giving them all nba exposure and still being successful. Absolutely the same thing.


THIS was sarcasm

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Dec 13 2014 11:45pm
Again, you're proving my point for me. In the same way that you admit that you will someday forget the names of good coaches like Bray and Drew, think about how most other casual fans like yourself will remember Calipari. Casual fans will forget him, just like they'll forget guys like Tom Crean or Billy Gillispie.

/casual fans who don't follow Kentucky, that is

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