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Jun 28 2023 07:20am
Quote (Sixers @ Jun 28 2023 12:22am)
I'm assuming you didn't watch the Sixers in the playoffs the last two years?

Tobias was incredible defensively against the Raptors last year (21-22) in the first round. He gave Siakam fits and clamped him up, which was pretty impressive. Then this year he was once again good in the first round, but was particularly strong in the second round defensively (disappointed offensively though) especially in several games against Tatum limiting his outside shooting and limiting his impact for long stretches which helped get them that 3-2 lead that they ultimately blew lol. Many would agree he was the 76ers second best defender that series, and even though he disappeared offensively, he was relatively solid/good defensively.

I mean nobody is saying he's an all-nba defender by any means, but he has shown that he's very capable of defending 3's/4's pretty well at times and holding his own. He's not particularly great against smaller quicker guards because his lateral quickness leaves much to be desired, but he's got size and length and holds his ground well plus he's a high IQ guy. If he had elite athleticism he'd be an all-star, but he doesn't so that's what holds him back from being more than just a "good" but not all-star caliber player.

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As a Bucks fan very familiar with Tobias, I was pissed initially that they traded him for a rental of JJ Reddick at the time. However, if that saved them from giving Tobias his bloated contract then I'm pretty satisfied with it. Tobias is not close to All-Star caliber and his contract says he is an All-Star player.
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Jun 28 2023 11:06am
Quote (MildSambal @ Jun 28 2023 09:20am)
As a Bucks fan very familiar with Tobias, I was pissed initially that they traded him for a rental of JJ Reddick at the time. However, if that saved them from giving Tobias his bloated contract then I'm pretty satisfied with it. Tobias is not close to All-Star caliber and his contract says he is an All-Star player.


I mean Tobias has been in the All-Star convorsation a few times in his career. Never a clear cut selection, but certainly close. He was among the "snubs" list two years ago (2020-21) averaging 21/8/4 on 52/42/90 efficiency and didn't make it. Particularly because they already had Embiid and Simmons selected, and there was no way the Sixers were going to have a third when teams above them in the standings only had 1 or 2 as well. Middleton has made it numerous times while averaging similar or worse numbers than that lol.

His first three seasons in Philly, Tobias averaged 20/7/3 on 49/39/86 efficiency. It wasn't until the past two seasons with the arrival of Harden and the emergence of Maxey that Tobias really had to take a step back and became the clear cut 4th option on this team. He had less opportunities this past season (just 11.4 FGA per game), but he was still really efficient and posted the best TS% since he has been in Philly (60.2%). Shot 50% from the field, 39% from 3pt, and 88% from the line. He adapted to his role pretty well and if it wasn't for that bloated salary he'd be appreciated far more than he is.

Quote (Red Sox @ Jun 28 2023 07:17am)
In all seriousness Tobias is better than people give him credit for. He’s good, not great. The issue always has been he’s on a contract that pays him much more than he should make, especially for his current role being the 4th option. When they signed him they couldn’t have accounted for the emergence of Maxey. He barely misses regular season games, can score in a variety of ways, improved defensively over the years. You really just shouldn’t be a 4th option on offense making that much money. With the amount of money he makes and the role he plays now its just made fans hate him more

And now he finally has some value since he’s an expiring contract with the new CBA rules about to be in place, so I get why the Sixers don’t want to just give him away for nothing, still have to be realistic though like that Cavs trade was ridiculous


Well said. He's a good locker room guy, and a pretty good player overall, he's just not worthy of that contract. Only way they move him is if it clearly improves the team this season, and with it being an expiring deal it has a lot more value.

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In all seriousness Tobias is better than people give him credit for. He’s good, not great. The issue always has been he’s on a contract that pays him much more than he should make, especially for his current role being the 4th option. When they signed him they couldn’t have accounted for the emergence of Maxey. He barely misses regular season games, can score in a variety of ways, improved defensively over the years. You really just shouldn’t be a 4th option on offense making that much money. With the amount of money he makes and the role he plays now its just made fans hate him more

And now he finally has some value since he’s an expiring contract with the new CBA rules about to be in place, so I get why the Sixers don’t want to just give him away for nothing, still have to be realistic though like that Cavs trade was ridiculous



Quote (Sixers @ Jun 28 2023 10:06am)
Well said. He's a good locker room guy, and a pretty good player overall, he's just not worthy of that contract. Only way they move him is if it clearly improves the team this season, and with it being an expiring deal it has a lot more value.



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Jun 28 2023 12:42pm
Quote (Sixers @ Jun 28 2023 12:06pm)
I mean Tobias has been in the All-Star convorsation a few times in his career. Never a clear cut selection, but certainly close. He was among the "snubs" list two years ago (2020-21) averaging 21/8/4 on 52/42/90 efficiency and didn't make it. Particularly because they already had Embiid and Simmons selected, and there was no way the Sixers were going to have a third when teams above them in the standings only had 1 or 2 as well. Middleton has made it numerous times while averaging similar or worse numbers than that lol.

His first three seasons in Philly, Tobias averaged 20/7/3 on 49/39/86 efficiency. It wasn't until the past two seasons with the arrival of Harden and the emergence of Maxey that Tobias really had to take a step back and became the clear cut 4th option on this team. He had less opportunities this past season (just 11.4 FGA per game), but he was still really efficient and posted the best TS% since he has been in Philly (60.2%). Shot 50% from the field, 39% from 3pt, and 88% from the line. He adapted to his role pretty well and if it wasn't for that bloated salary he'd be appreciated far more than he is.



Well said. He's a good locker room guy, and a pretty good player overall, he's just not worthy of that contract. Only way they move him is if it clearly improves the team this season, and with it being an expiring deal it has a lot more value.


Nobody is taking Tobias over Middleton from 2016-17 onwards, Middleton is tasked with the teams #1 on ball defender and doubled at times. Nobody is putting an elite defender on Tobias, if you put Middleton in a 4th option scoring role his efficiency would be stupid.

Also funny how Middleton is now comparable to Tobias yet again, daily reminder that Giannis won a ring with a team averaging 28% from 3 and his running mate being comparable to Tobias Harris. What is the excuse for Embiid?





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@ShamsCharania: The Chicago Bulls and center Nikola Vucevic are nearing a three-year, $60 million contract extension, league sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.
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Nobody is taking Tobias over Middleton from 2016-17 onwards, Middleton is tasked with the teams #1 on ball defender and doubled at times. Nobody is putting an elite defender on Tobias, if you put Middleton in a 4th option scoring role his efficiency would be stupid.

Also funny how Middleton is now comparable to Tobias yet again, daily reminder that Giannis won a ring with a team averaging 28% from 3 and his running mate being comparable to Tobias Harris. What is the excuse for Embiid?


Bro, Tobias never performed in the playoffs like Middleton did during that Championship run rofl. We could only dream of getting that kind of elite clutch production from Tobias. Dreams only.

Middleton was the closer for the Bucks for that championship. One of the most clutch playoff runs in modern NBA history. Man was a walking bucket in crunch time in those playoffs.




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@ShamsCharania: The Chicago Bulls and center Nikola Vucevic are nearing a three-year, $60 million contract extension, league sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.


Good signing at that price
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Jun 28 2023 04:05pm
Quote (Sixers @ Jun 28 2023 03:03pm)
Good signing at that price


Not really
Dude is euro
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@ShamsCharania: The Chicago Bulls and center Nikola Vucevic are nearing a three-year, $60 million contract extension, league sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.


Fair price
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Quote (Proint @ Jun 28 2023 06:05pm)
Not really
Dude is euro


Nuggets would have something to say about that
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