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Jul 31 2021 11:46am
Quote (Overpriced @ Jul 30 2021 11:59am)
You realize Jordan had much better teams relative to the competition level than Lebron has had

When lebron leaves a team, they are in the lottery

When Jordan leaves a team, they go to game 7 of the conference semis

Relative to the rest of theNBA at their respective times, Jordan had better teams than lebron.

The competition in the nba is vastly superior now than it was when Jordan played.

In today’s NBA, Jordan would have 2-3 rings. Not 6. His legacy is bolstered by an era of mediocrity in the NBA in which talent was minimal and evenly distributed across all teams, except concentrated at the bulls because of roster construction. Jordan had 3-4 hall of famers on his teams he won. His competition had 1-2

Jordan has squeezed in an era where all the good players were old and finishing their careers (magic, bird etc) and there was very few Other high caliber talent (Hakeem, late jazz teams) other than a team with 1x, mid level hall of famer (Reggie, tall guy from Knicks, Barkley)


If mj > kobe

And kobe > lbj

Then how is lbj > mj
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Jul 31 2021 12:00pm
Quote (Lonzo @ Jul 31 2021 12:46pm)
If mj > kobe

And kobe > lbj

Then how is lbj > mj



Kobe is a top 25ish player. Doesn’t even sniff Top 5
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Jul 31 2021 12:38pm
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Kobe is a top 25ish player. Doesn’t even sniff Top 5


Magic and bird as well. Theyre more like top 50.

Vsing white dudes back then.
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Jul 31 2021 12:40pm
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Magic and bird as well. Theyre more like top 50.

Vsing white dudes back then.



Bird and magic are significantly better than Kobe
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Jul 31 2021 03:34pm
Quote (Overpriced @ 31 Jul 2021 14:40)
Bird and magic are significantly better than Kobe


Magic didnt get the HIV because he was practising 12 hours a day
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Jul 31 2021 04:00pm
not like the lakers gave up much in kuz and harrell. but westbrick doesnt solve the lakers problems which is lack of shooters.

westbrook will allow lebron to rest during the regular season and he can be a good secondary playmaker with the second unit when lebron sits. kinda like rondo's role in 2020.

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Jul 31 2021 04:24pm
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not like the lakers gave up much in kuz and harrell. but westbrick doesnt solve the lakers problems which is lack of shooters.

westbrook will allow lebron to rest during the regular season and he can be a good secondary playmaker with the second unit when lebron sits. kinda like rondo's role in 2020.



I agree. The fit isn’t great.

The trade for harrell + kuzma for hield was a better fit.

Plus their current point guard has value in the trade market.

At this point in his career. It would likely be more beneficial to move lebron to full time point and let his basketball IQ take over the game more, as opposed to his physical skills.

Thus you could trade their current point guard for another shooting asset, and have a starting lineup of AD, lebron, Hield, shooting asset, and either a 4 or 5, depending on how AD wants to play.

You have two Swiss army knifes in AD + lebron. You have 2 good shooters in hield + the shooting asset. You have size in AD + lebron + the other 4 or 5. You have play making ability in Lebron. You have two big slightly above average shooters in AD and lebron. Overal the roster construction would be skgnicnalry better.

I don’t see how this is a team made for success. But it’s tbd if the high IQ of lebron rubs off on Westbrook. Which is really Westbrook’s only downside, he can be a bull in a china shop.

If lebron can teach him efficiency, Westbrook’s typical usage rate should go down, with shooting % going up. As a large portion of Westbrook’s poor shooting % is just from bad decisions.

If Westbrook could average a 16 point triple double ish, he could be a good fit. So long as to assume the 7ish average point drop comes from a lower usage rate but higher shooting %. This would “give bAck” about 7-8 possessions per game. Assuming a 1.2 point per possession average, you are looking at roughly 10 extra points per game from taking away Westbrook’s bad decision making.
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Jul 31 2021 04:57pm
He went from the favorite to the most hated.
What you rather be, underpaid or overrated?
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Jul 31 2021 05:43pm
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He went from the favorite to the most hated.
What you rather be, underpaid or overrated?


Moral victories are for minor league coaches.
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Jul 31 2021 07:30pm
This is how you know LeBron is the goat

He’s 36 years old going into his 19th NBA season, and people are still criticizing him if he doesn’t win a chip like he’s in his prime


Because he’s still playing better than 95% players did in their prime
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