Quote (Terps @ Mar 31 2015 02:50am)
Cam,
I think part of the problem is that you are assuming the current system promotes/deters a dishonest person from doing dishonest things. It has no bearing in my opinion. Whether a person abides by the list or not, if that person is dishonest, no set form of rules will deter him from doing dishonest things.
If a dishonest person uses the "cool gl" technicality to do a bm non-bet, then that person does not care about his reputation--he does not care if he is viewed as a welcher on a list or an unofficial welcher by the general betting public. The bm bettor is penny-wise and pound-foolish, since it is likely that, although his gains would be short-lived, the fallout would be general scorn from all other gm bettors who would refuse to bet with the bm bettor and castigate him whenever he tries to bet in the future. This person would never become active, although he would not be officially listed as a welcher. Of course, to a new bettor who is not aware of or who does not follow the "CD" rule, the bm person's presence on the welcher list would be irrelevant, since this person does not follow the unofficial betting guide anyway. The bm bettor would not care about his reputation, which includes being on the welcher list, since he does not value his integrity. To put it simply, there is no deterrent for someone with no morals, and the threat of "punishment" (being put on the welcher list; being viewed as bm) is not a deterrent for this person.
Its not only about deterring scammers who will be dishonest no matter what, its about making it harder for them to do so effectively, punishing them when they do it, and making the rules more intuitive instead of an incredibly strange system using a specific magic word as the only way it counts.
The "doesnt care about being on the welcher list" is not strictly true at all. In some cases, sure.
In other cases unknowns, Regulars and trusted/mediators repeatedly used counter-intuitive loopholes to troll and scam people.
These are regulars who know the rule and how to work around it.
Many of these people care deeply about whether they are welcher tagged or not, and if clearly accepting a bet in plain English and refusing to pay up would be punishable with that tag they likely wouldn't do it.
There is also a chance someone calls him out as a welcher when he is trying to make bets with people, although that won't always happen.
Im not ok with what teabaggery did being repeated and deemed acceptable.
The deal about them getting publicly scorned is not strictly true either. This was overtly commonplace in the past, and if its not overt right now it will be brushed off as "its ok. No bet. it wasn't confirmed" like it originally was in this thread before we started debating.
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Total full blown baked potato with sour cream. There is no way in hell we are changing to some subjective system so save your fingers. I'm sorry you have a hard on for me and can't see what I said 3 years ago was about a bet that gold was sent upfront and the reply was cool to to the guy. You try to take shit out of context just like your stupid suggestion would have people do.
I already addressed that earlier and explained how that is not a valid point.
Nor did I say we should change to a purely subjective system, but I would rather allow for other forms of confirmation. Its plainly obvious when this is the case, as it was in numerous examples I brought up.
"cool gl" is a confirmation when its sent upfront and its not when its not sent upfront? How do you manage to spin that one?
Either its a confirmation or its not. Which is it? In both cases its a clear indication of acceptance that the bet is on.
There is also no need for you to get pissy and insult me when I disagree with you.
Dont let that power go to your head.
This post was edited by cambovenzi on Mar 31 2015 01:17am