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Let coach nick drop some knowledge on ur bitch asses

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I agree he's an excellent passer, and not everything you do on the court should be marked as a net negative... But shooting 30.1% on 3pt is terrible, and 45.3 FG for a big man isn't that good..

But can you guys stop sucking his dick, because he can stack assists through hockey passes, and running the fast break while Steph Curry back doors into the corner for another easy 3? He's benefiting greatly from being on a roster with players who are the greatest shooters, and knock down catch and shoot snipers...



How easily people forget how Dray carried when Curry was out before we had KD lol.. so easily they forget. & I agree Cal’s sentiments.
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Apr 18 2018 10:08am
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How easily people forget how Dray carried when Curry was out before we had KD lol.. so easily they forget. & I agree Cal’s sentiments.


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klay benefits far more....

dray is expected to grind every possession in every facet. the only grind klay is familiar with is through a screen or maybe bending the knees a bit on defense....

given the circumstances and the energy he pours out in all other facets, its no surprise his shooting % are what they are.... they aren't that abysmal either anyway....

its not like hes drummond type big man.... who works exclusively on the block....


So you don't think Draymond Green benefits from feeding Klay those passes either? Klay plays a role, and even if he normally does catch and shoot, both players benefit greatly from GSW.

You can't have it both ways. Yes, Green is an excellent player. I take back my previous comment, because a lot of players have been underwhelming this year. Dray is a top 15 player, but he shares the same spot as Klay. Yes the GSW wouldn't be the defensive juggernaut, but even without Dray, they would still outscore most teams.
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Doesn't change the fucking original point of the thread, which is that Draymond isn't a top 10 player.

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Doesn't change the fucking original point of the thread, and Dray is not a top 10 player though.


I think its past that. Most of the fuck tards on here playing down his ACTUAL effect. I even said in the beg, hes def worth THE argument of top 10, even if he isn't. Like who da fuck u really putting infront lf him? Kat? Fucking dont say boogie cousins? Butler? Tell me. Either the poster , lonzo, made the thread cuz he aint getting any attention or this was a srs convo to had.

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I think its last that. Most of the fuck tards on here playing down his ACTUAL effect. I even said in the beg, hes def worth THRE argument. Lile who da fuck u really putting infront lf hi? Kat? Fucking dont say boogie cousins? Butler? Tell me.


Dude I don't get your problem lol. I place a premium on defense. Tray is the best defender in the league and I take his defense over Kawhi, although both are amazing players.

I take Butler and KAT in front of Draymond. KAT for potential and high ceiling and Butler for being an awesome two way player.

YOU acting like top 15 is bad lol.

Top 7 to me is superstar status like Harden, AD, Giannis, Curry, KD, Westbrook and LeBron.

If Dray could shoot the 3 pointer at a 35% clip (league average) then he's a top 10 player ahead of KAT. Still think peoplle underestimate Butler though..

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I think its past that. Most of the fuck tards on here playing down his ACTUAL effect. I even said in the beg, hes def worth THE argument of top 10, even if he isn't. Like who da fuck u really putting infront lf him? Kat? Fucking dont say boogie cousins? Butler? Tell me. Either the poster , lonzo, made the thread cuz he aint getting any attention or this was a srs convo to had.


yo boogie been balling this year preinjury. No disrespect.

The way I see it.
Top 5 is franchise player
Top 10 superstar
Top 20 all star player

He clearly belongs in top 20.

offensively
Draymond clearly benefits from his system. On any other team he would still be giving an amazing effort on defense but honestly he's a sub 30% 3 pt (on open as hell threes) shooter who can't create a shot for himself. Averages most assists on team (honestly kinda inflated when he has 3 of the best shooters in the league. He can't really finish that well around the rim honestly

He's plays the same role as iggy on offense at times, usually point center tho so durant and curry don't have to handle but rather play off screens. also let's him always be in position to get back on defense

defensively
guards 1-5, excellent on switches and covering warriors defensive collapses

He makes contenders great, but isn't going to be the one to turn around a 20 win team Into a 50 win team like these top 10 players can. There are so just so many stellar bigs atm

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Dude I don't get your problem lol. I place a premium on defense. Tray is the best defender in the league and I take his defense over Kawhi, although both are amazing players.

I take Butler and KAT in front of Draymond. KAT for potential and high ceiling and Butler for being an awesome two way player.

YOU acting like top 15 is bad lol.

Top 7 to me is superstar status like Harden, AD, Giannis, Curry, KD, Westbrook and LeBron.

If Dray could shoot the 3 pointer at a 35% clip (league average) then he's a top 10 player ahead of KAT. Still think peoplle underestimate Butler though..


Just typed a paragraph and clicked back :wallbash: . But were saying the same thing. I said from beg his real value lies between 10-13ish.
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Apr 18 2018 10:52am
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yo boogie been balling this year preinjury. No disrespect.

The way I see it.
Top 5 is franchise player
Top 10 superstar
Top 20 all star player

He clearly belongs in top 20.

offensively
Draymond clearly benefits from his system. On any other team he would still be giving an amazing effort on defense but honestly he's a sub 30% 3 pt (on open as hell threes) shooter who can't create a shot for himself. Averages most assists on team (honestly kinda inflated when he has 3 of the best shooters in the league. He can't really finish that well around the rim honestly

He's plays the same role as iggy on offense

defensively
guards 1-5, excellent on switches and covering warriors defensive collapses

He makes contenders great, but isn't going to be the one to turn around a 20 win team Into a 50 win team like these top 10 players can. There are so just so many stellar bigs atm


Pretty much this. And I still think boogie will bounce back.

Quote (vtrix23 @ Apr 18 2018 10:46am)
Just typed a paragraph and clicked back :wallbash: . But were saying the same thing. I said from beg his real value lies between 10-13ish.


If anything this proves how many players have been underwhelming.

Honestly though I think Kyrie is a top 10 player but eh, I'm homering though.

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Dude I don't get your problem lol. I place a premium on defense. Tray is the best defender in the league and I take his defense over Kawhi, although both are amazing players.

I take Butler and KAT in front of Draymond. KAT for potential and high ceiling and Butler for being an awesome two way player.

YOU acting like top 15 is bad lol.

Top 7 to me is superstar status like Harden, AD, Giannis, Curry, KD, Westbrook and LeBron.

If Dray could shoot the 3 pointer at a 35% clip (league average) then he's a top 10 player ahead of KAT. Still think peoplle underestimate Butler though..



I have a hard time placing KAT and Butler both in the top 10 when the Wolves barely made the playoffs and will get swept in the first round.
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