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Oct 22 2020 03:36pm
Damn, looking at these statistics specifically made up to prove an individual’s point, not to mention most of you don’t do the lateral thinking necessary to truly understand the impact of whatever bullshit statistic you created to fit your point, I can’t help but feel pity..

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Damn, looking at these statistics specifically made up to prove an individual’s point, not to mention most of you don’t do the lateral thinking necessary to truly understand the impact of whatever bullshit statistic you created to fit your point, I can’t help but feel pity..


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No, I don't. At least not yet.

I mean AD and Giannis are both getting there, but if we're talking about accomplished careers I think they both have more work to do. Giannis had an insane regular season obviously, but how does he go down in history as the all-time great who always led his team to the best record in the league, won MVP and DPOy in the same year but always fell apart early in the playoffs....

At least AD added a ring to his resume, even if it was against a shit opponent in a weird bubble playoffs.

Then again, as I mentioned before the era that Jordan and Scottie played in was kind of watered down, so the argument can go both ways. It's hard to compare eras, but Scottie was one of the best in his era and is definitely an all-time great.


There are easily 20 basketball players all-time that you would pick before any iteration of Pippen, that's the point I'm trying to make. His prime stacked up against all of the career primes of the greats, Pippen is conservatively top 50 but anything over top 40 is probably a stretch.

Career vs prime is a key distinction in the all-time debates. Obviously people who value longevity are going to side with KAJ and LeBron. To me it's hard to argue with Jordan's peak scoring numbers while keeping in mind that if you implanted Jordan into 2020 NBA he probably drops 50 on a consistent basis.

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Oct 22 2020 03:50pm
KAJ - most points per game in the regular season ever. most efficient scorer of all time on points per shot 24.61 points per game on 24.1 shots, or slightly over 1 pt per shot attempt.

It's amazing to think LeBron is creeping up on one of his most impressive records, no doubt he is in the GOAT conversation but to me I think he should have 5 rings at this point. Dallas or SA were winnable to get #5

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There are easily 20 basketball players all-time that you would pick before any iteration of Pippen, that's the point I'm trying to make. His prime stacked up against all of the career primes of the greats, Pippen is conservatively top 50 but anything over top 40 is probably a stretch.

Career vs prime is a key distinction in the all-time debates. Obviously people who value longevity are going to side with KAJ and LeBron. To me it's hard to argue with Jordan's peak scoring numbers while keeping in mind that if you implanted Jordan into 2020 NBA he probably drops 50 on a consistent basis.


wut

Not a chance

Todays game is so much different, and defenses are so much more complex than they were in the 90's where it was just man to man and you couldn't even run anything remotely that looked like a zone. Help defense was slower as a result (you'd get called for sagging too far as you had to be on someone) and defenders had to rely on hand checking and fouling (back when it was a "MANS GAME" am i right) because defense in general was overrated. Guys today actually know how to play defense with their FEET not their hands by reaching and playing rugby lmao..... The whole idea that players don't play defense today but in the 90's they did is comical. The complexity of defenses today versus 25 years ago is pretty drastic.

Also, back on topic. What credible sports writer, commentator, coach, etc. has EVER put Pippen outside of the top 20 or 30? You mentioning him in the 40's is just pure disrespect lol.
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wut

Not a chance

Todays game is so much different, and defenses are so much more complex than they were in the 90's where it was just man to man and you couldn't even run anything remotely that looked like a zone. Help defense was slower as a result (you'd get called for sagging too far as you had to be on someone) and defenders had to rely on hand checking and fouling (back when it was a "MANS GAME" am i right) because defense in general was overrated. Guys today actually know how to play defense with their FEET not their hands by reaching and playing rugby lmao..... The whole idea that players don't play defense today but in the 90's they did is comical. The complexity of defenses today versus 25 years ago is pretty drastic.

Also, back on topic. What credible sports writer, commentator, coach, etc. has EVER put Pippen outside of the top 20 or 30? You mentioning him in the 40's is just pure disrespect lol.


Jordan averaged 1.7 3PT attempts per game, obviously in this era he would be shooting the 3. If you reallocated his 27 shot attempts to this era and adjust for 3PT attempts, Jordan would average 45+
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Damn, looking at these statistics specifically made up to prove an individual’s point, not to mention most of you don’t do the lateral thinking necessary to truly understand the impact of whatever bullshit statistic you created to fit your point, I can’t help but feel pity..


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Quote (Giannis @ Oct 22 2020 05:58pm)
Jordan averaged 1.7 3PT attempts per game, obviously in this era he would be shooting the 3. If you reallocated his 27 shot attempts to this era and adjust for 3PT attempts, Jordan would average 45+


You are even more retarded than you led on.
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Quote (Giannis @ Oct 22 2020 02:58pm)
Jordan averaged 1.7 3PT attempts per game, obviously in this era he would be shooting the 3. If you reallocated his 27 shot attempts to this era and adjust for 3PT attempts, Jordan would average 45+


Wow it was just that easy, good to know that's how it works.
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Quote (Giannis @ Oct 22 2020 05:58pm)
Jordan averaged 1.7 3PT attempts per game, obviously in this era he would be shooting the 3. If you reallocated his 27 shot attempts to this era and adjust for 3PT attempts, Jordan would average 45+


Lol wtf...
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