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Feb 4 2012 09:57pm
More of a fun piece, but it is a very interesting question that I would love to answer one day.

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Does Camden Yards Affect CF Defensive Metrics?
  Camden Yards is one of the best baseball parks in my honest and slightly homeristic opinion. As a fan growing up, there was not one place I would have rather been in Baltimore over Camden Yards. However, deep inside the walls of the luxurious stadium is a strange and dark mystery. It's been a running myth ever since the stadiums' inception in 1992 that defense is not accurately measured; specifically in Center Field. (Not Really, but for the sake of this blog, let's just act like it has been).

  So what could there possibly be to unravel this myth of defensive metric abuse in Camden Yards? It seems like a simple task to solve, but there are a few obstacles in the way:

1. Camden Yards has not been around for THAT long. The first 8-10 years of its existence were primarily all Brady Anderson era. During this time, UZR and advanced defensive metrics did not exist yet.

2. After Brady's time, the Orioles had a disastrous group in CF. 2001 was the year of Melvin Mora (Yes, he played CF primarily in 2001). 2002 was the time of Chris Singleton. 2003-2005 was the time of Luis Matos. 2006 belonged to Corey Patterson for the most part. Finally in 2007, Adam Jones took over.

  The problem with this is that none of these players have an extensive amount of time in CF at Camden Yards to truly diagnose whether they played worse there. Mora's first season was the YEAR BEFORE advanced defensive statistics were documented. Singleton and Patterson essentially had one season under their belt for the Orioles in CF.
  Another reason that Singleton and Patterson's statistics are useless is because their career stats have other home stadiums' numbers mixed in. For example, Patterson obviously played with the Cubs before the Orioles. There are no home/away splits for advanced defensive metrics per single team or stadium.
  This means that the only two players that could possibly be looked at are Luis Matos and Adam Jones. Matos started 400 games in CF from 2003-05,while Jones has started in 544 since 2007. Below are the advanced defensive metrics of their home/away splits.


          Adam Jones
Home                    Away
-15.7      RngR      -2.9     
-0.9        ErrR      -1.3 
  9.0        Arm        5.5 
-7.6        UZR        1.3
-5.1      UZR/150    0.9

          Luis Matos

Home                    Away
-6.7      RngR          5.5     
-0.1        ErrR      -1.4 
-2.5        Arm        -3.3
-9.2        UZR        0.8
-8.4    UZR/150      0.8

  As you can see, both players do significantly better defensively away from Camden Yards. Only the Arm and ErrR ratings are better at Camden Yards. Nonetheless, it is interesting to see how the statistics DO fluctuate from when Jones and Matos both play away from Camden Yards. Their UZR ratings significantly improved. Since both players played three plus years with the Orioles, it is probably safe to say that this is a close-to-accurate-rating.
  In the end, are these ratings proof that Camden Yards is a hell-house for anyone playing CF? I would say no, because there is simply not enough evidence. Although in the future, maybe when the Orioles have another CF or two who plays three plus years, we may finally be able to crack this strange and dark mystery that has been bothering everyone (not really) for so long.


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Feb 6 2012 07:52am
Oh Shit, Guthrie might be traded to Rockies.
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Feb 6 2012 08:11am
Awwwww. :(

So, who the fuck is our #1 starter now?

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Feb 6 2012 08:28am
LmaOs.


Hammel sucks and Lindstrom has some of the worst accuracy I have ever seen
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Feb 6 2012 08:48am
Sucks? I don't know about that. He wasn't good last year but in 09 and 10 he was better than Guthrie.
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Feb 6 2012 09:56am
I think there is an increased chance now that Wada is in the rotation.
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Feb 6 2012 11:09am
Would have rather kept Hammels tbh. Had a down year but had been solid as fuck prior. Everything was down for him last year, but I expected him to rebound :(. Guthrie gonna get rocked in Coors.

Pretty stupid deal lol. Going for names, not numbers at this point. Only good thing is Guthrie is a lock for 200 IP. Something the Rockies don't have right now.

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Feb 6 2012 11:19am
Hammel will suck in the AL east.
quote me.
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Updated FIP Projections for 2012

Postby TuckerBlair89 ยป February 6th, 2012, 1:01 pm
Updated FIP Projections
These are the updated Bill James' FIP projections after the Orioles traded Jeremy Guthrie for Jason Hammel and Matt Lindstrom. Jeremy Guthrie had a projected FIP of 4.56 for 2012, so that was taken out.

Zach Britton
Bill James 2012 FIP Projection: 3.84
Brian Matusz
Bill James 2012 FIP Projection: 4.55
Jake Arrieta
Bill James 2012 FIP Projection: 4.79
Tommy Hunter
Bill James 2012 FIP Projection: 4.48
Chris Tillman
Bill James 2012 FIP Projection: 4.82
Brad Bergesen
Bill James 2012 FIP Projection: 4.63
Dana Eveland (only 30 Innings in 2011)
Bill James 2012 FIP Projection: 3.81(presumably projecting him as a reliever)
Jim Johnson
Bill James 2012 FIP Projection: 3.71
Pedro Strop
Bill James 2012 FIP Projection: 2.98
Kevin Gregg
Bill James 2012 FIP Projection: 4.48
Alfredo Simon
Bill James 2012 FIP Projection: 4.96 (looks to be projected as a starter though)
Troy Patton
Bill James 2012 FIP Projection: 4.55
Jason Berken
Bill James 2012 FIP Projection: 4.63
Jason Hammel
Bill James 2012 FIP Projection: 4.17
Matt Lindstrom
Bill James 2012 FIP Projection: 3.55

Updated Average Bill James 2012 FIP Projection: 4.26
The Orioles were projected at 4.34 before this trade.


This would have been the seventh lowest FIP in 2011, only better than the Houston Astros (4.35), Cincinnati Reds (4.37), Twins (4.30), Jays (4.29) Royals (4.27), and the Dreaded Baltimore Orioles (4.67!!!!!)

So yea....The Orioles are still projected to get better, but not enough to matter!
4.26 is still lower tier, and not enough of an improvement to really matter.
The Phillies had the best FIP in the majors at 3.24!!! For anyone wondering, the Yankees had a team FIP of 3.87 (13th).

Some things to consider:

-There are no Bill James projections for the following players: Tsuyoshi Wada, Wei-Yin Chen, Darren O'day, and Zach Phillips.
-They could provide the Orioles with some much better numbers, and who knows, they could even factor into other players producing better numbers in other roles (such as a starter in the bullpen).
-The Orioles still could be looking into adding more pitching.
- Players could actually do better than their projection, or for that matter, they could do worse.

Anyways, they are just projections and nothing more. But even as projections you can see how far the Orioles really have to go or how much the young starters really need to improve for the Orioles to be a contender. Some will argue that trading Guthrie was a terrible idea. Some will say it does not matter either way. I am leaning towards the second part, although I question the move still. The Orioles may be projected better, but they are losing out on ~200 innings and that puts a lot more pressure on the young starters


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Feb 6 2012 11:20am
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Hammel will suck in the AL east.
quote me.


He's already pitched a bit for the Rays awhile back. I can see him matching Guthrie's production tbh. I don't see why Lindstrom had to be included. He was really solid last year too :/ weakens the bullpen quite a bit.
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