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#5971
Nov 15 2011 09:31am
Quote (tuckerblair89 @ Nov 15 2011 10:29am)
But there is zero chance the orioles are going to trade Jones if he is in the new uniform pic lol.


Never say "zero".
If some redic trade offer is proposed to the Orioles that includes a decent arm in the starting rotation....anything is possible.
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#5972
Nov 15 2011 09:32am
didn't mean him, meant wieters and hardy
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Nov 15 2011 09:33am
Quote (Wine @ Nov 15 2011 10:31am)
Never say "zero".
If some redic trade offer is proposed to the Orioles that includes a decent arm in the starting rotation....anything is possible.


well as an orioles fan, i know it really is closer to zero than anything.
But yea maybe it is realistically like 25% lol.
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Nov 15 2011 09:34am
Quote (omgimrich @ Nov 15 2011 10:32am)
didn't mean him, meant wieters and hardy


i dont even
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#5975
Nov 15 2011 09:36am
wieters - not that great of a hitter, good defensively
hardy - has power but overall not a great hitter, good defensively

neither of them are going to be on any orioles teams that are ever relevant. should just trade them for prospects that can maybe be on the next good o's team.
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Nov 15 2011 09:37am
Quote (omgimrich @ Nov 15 2011 10:36am)
wieters - not that great of a hitter, good defensively
hardy - has power but overall not a great hitter, good defensively

neither of them are going to be on any orioles teams that are ever relevant. should just trade them for prospects that can maybe be on the next good o's team.


I dont know if i am getting trolled or not.
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#5977
Nov 15 2011 09:39am
how is it trolling when it's obvious?? hardy has what 2 years on his contract? do you think the orioles are going to compete this year or next year?
wieters has like 4 years left. he isn't going to resign in baltimore unless they give him a mauer type contract and giving a mauer type contract to a catcher that isn't a good hitter would be pretty dumb.

better off restocking the farm with players that can come up with the shortstop
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#5978
Nov 15 2011 09:40am
Quote (omgimrich @ Nov 15 2011 10:39am)
how is it trolling when it's obvious?? hardy has what 2 years on his contract? do you think the orioles are going to compete this year or next year?
wieters has like 4 years left. he isn't going to resign in baltimore unless they give him a mauer type contract and giving a mauer type contract to a catcher that isn't a good hitter would be pretty dumb.

better off restocking the farm with players that can come up with the shortstop


Wieters is a top 5 catcher in baseball. Sorry bud, but i refuse to be trolled. Wieters is a player you build around, not trade.
Hardy is a tradeable piece, but he is a stopgap for machado.
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#5979
Nov 15 2011 09:52am
maybe he is top 5, maybe he isn't. it's not like he calls a great game behind the plate even though he is pretty good defensively.

in a lineup he has no business hitting higher than 6th. that's a player you build around? by the time players from the minors that can help come up he will be a year or two away from leaving so it will all be pointless. what's the point of having a "top 5" catcher on one of the worst teams in baseball? there is none.
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Nov 15 2011 10:32am
even though he had to be trollingg , i felt like writing this on Wieters:

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Matt Wieters: Comparison to his Competition

Postby TuckerBlair89 ยป November 15th, 2011, 12:29 pm
Wieters was one the few bright spots for the Orioles this year. While he may have not been "terrific" with the bat, he still proved that he is capable of becoming a very good hitter in this league for a long time. I compared Wieters stats to the other qualifying catchers. I also threw in some defensive stats since we are indeed talking about catchers and defense is Wieters' strength.

Catcher had 9 Qualifying players in 2011 (Obviously there were many catchers close, but only 9 qualified)
*Also take into account that Mauer and Posey were injured most of the year
*Some Catchers (Carlos Santana) had more plate appearances due to playing another position


Some more defensive notes:

Wieters ranked 1st in the entire league with 14 DRS (Total Defensive Runs Saved)
He also ranked 1st with 5 RSB (Stolen Based Runs Saved)

Overall, I would say that Wieters was very satisfying from a Catchers standpoint last season. The defense was top tier, and the hitting aspect of his game is only going to get better.

One final fun note:
Bill James projection on Wieters in 2012: .281AVG/.353OBP/.468SLG/.304BABIP/.357wOBA

I would gladly take that!


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