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Aug 25 2011 06:13pm
Quote (xnozx. @ Aug 25 2011 07:39pm)
Please.. let them make excuses all they want the fact remains we are the only team in the history of baseball to reach that feat.


Think about that... baseball has been around since what, the mid 1800's? All these great players & we are the only team to accomplish that goal.. Pretty incredible if you ask me.


lmao, you need to calm down
its not like its some goal of every baseball team ever
its something cool that happened
but to say its something great that has been achieved is overblowing the fact
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Aug 25 2011 06:30pm
Holy fuck.

Haven't heard any sports updates all day long, just saw the score... rolf
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Aug 25 2011 06:34pm
Out of the top 4 leaders in rbi's we have 3
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Aug 25 2011 07:43pm
Quote (xnozx. @ Aug 25 2011 06:39pm)
Please.. let them make excuses all they want the fact remains we are the only team in the history of baseball to reach that feat.


Think about that... baseball has been around since what, the mid 1800's? All these great players & we are the only team to accomplish that goal.. Pretty incredible if you ask me.



i'd rather be in first place tbh
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Aug 25 2011 08:24pm
reason for Granderson's terrible UZR rating
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    The way Gardner covers ground allows the Yankees to use different defensive alignments, shifting Granderson more toward right field in some situations because they assume Gardner can cover all of left-center.

Despite the shift, Granderson is responsible for the same zones as all other center fielders. While it’s true that he’s not debited for plays that Gardner makes in Granderson’s zones, Granderson also does not get the credit for those plays. Since UZR compares players on a positional basis, Granderson’s low UZR might simply be the product of him not making the same number of plays as his fellow center fielders. Since poor left fielders flank many of them, they have more opportunities to improve their UZR scores by making plays in the left fielder’s zone. Granderson has no such opportunity. Gardner is responsible for those zones, and he typically makes the plays.

This issue cropped up in the recent past with Andrew McCutchen. When John Russell managed the Pirates he positioned the Pirates in a way that would take away the bigger part of the ballpark. It’s debatable whether this odd shift was effective on the whole, but it certainly took a toll on the outfielders’ UZR scores. This was particularly perplexing when it came to McCutchen, who, by way of every scouting report ever written about him, was a superb defender in center field. Yet in his first two years in the majors he produced negative UZR scores: -1.3 and -13.7. The Pirates replaced Russell with Clint Hurdle this off-season, who presumably ceased the shift. The result: McCutchen has produced a 7.0 UZR this year, which is a bit more in line with expectations.

If positioning does play into Granderson’s heavily negative UZR, then how should that be handled in terms of WAR? Should we actually penalize him for an effective team strategy? After all, the Yankees’ outfield ranks third in the majors in UZR, trailing only the Diamondbacks and the Red Sox. Shouldn’t there be some way of adjusting for this, especially as WAR plays an increasing role among MVP voters?

The truth is that no single stat can perfectly relate a player’s on-field value. While the WAR framework is strong, it’s only as good as the inputs. If UZR is inaccurately assessing Granderson, due to unique positioning, then it won’t properly rate him among his peers. As with every player evaluation issue, we should look beyond the surface and find the truth in every area we can. And who knows: maybe UZR does have it right on Granderson. Maybe he has declined precipitously this year. But with all the questions surrounding that assessment, including observations to the contrary and Granderson’s superb flanker, it’s likely that we have to look beyond WAR to get at true grasp of Granderson’s place in the MVP conversation.

(That said, Jose Bautista, at this moment in time, is the AL MVP. Just to make that clear.)
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Aug 25 2011 08:25pm
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reason for Granderson's terrible UZR rating


yanks pitchers are also near bottom of the league in fly ball outs
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Aug 25 2011 08:27pm
Quote (drxscillator @ Aug 25 2011 09:24pm)
reason for Granderson's terrible UZR rating


why is granderson in center then? why don't we move gardner to center, grandy to right and swisher to left
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Aug 25 2011 08:38pm
Quote (Danny1024 @ Aug 25 2011 07:27pm)
why is granderson in center then? why don't we move gardner to center, grandy to right and swisher to left


Grandy gets the nod in CF because of his veteran status. It's dumb, I know, but it's how they have always done this.

Oh, and Grandy doesn't have your typical RF arm. Swish fits better in RF.
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Aug 25 2011 08:39pm
Quote (Danny1024 @ Aug 25 2011 09:27pm)
why is granderson in center then? why don't we move gardner to center, grandy to right and swisher to left


left field in yankee stadium is gigantic compared to RF, Grandy is used to playing CF too and he's really not that bad out there either
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Aug 25 2011 08:39pm
also gardners arm fits better with left field
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