Large part due to Tatis Jr’s NL MVP stock going down after the Padres continuous downward spiral and having to get sonned by Machado in the dugout lol

Philies can barely go. 500 vs the orioles. Seasons over

Only 33 hmrs?

Pretty weak NL mvp race tbh.

None are even close to an 8 WAR. Right now outside of Tatis the other candidates have mid 5 WARs with not many games left.

The last person to win an NL MVP with a sub 7 WAR was Jimmy Rollins in 2007. The only reason he won was because David Wright and Pujols didn't make the playoffs. They both had 8+. Oddly enough Rollins own teammate had a much better year (Utley) with a 7.8 WAR and still only got 8th.

This post was edited by fuzzy159 on Sep 22 2021 05:10pm

Getting verbal'd as usual i c

Just give Pavin Smith the MVP and be done with it

So u didn't understand lol

Didn't know a season average comes from 2 months of hot hitting. Interesting.

He only gets paid $25mil dollars AAV. The value he's bringing in from his play this season already paid for a couple seasons on the Phillies have to pay him on back-end, not to mention merchandise and tickets already sold. Nobody would watch this pile of shit team for the last 3 seasons without him.

The metrics says his defense is terrible but it doesn't feel that way when you watch him play.



I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, but defensive play is definitely factored into WAR calculation.

It's just baseball-reference uses has one defensive metrics to calculate their WAR and fangraphs uses another.

Fangraphs has Harper favored and leading in WAR by NL position players by a little bit, baseball reference shits on him for his defense in their WAR calculations.

ESPN refers to bWAR.



And that's besides the point, he could be dogshit in the outfield defensively and still be one of the most valuable players if he's hitting/getting pitched around like this, it doesn't change that.



Utley broke his hand that season too, too bad people didn't use saber metrics back then to see how GOAT the dude really was.

David Wright didn't win because the mets had one of the biggest collapse of all time and part of it was due to Jimmy Rollins.

This post was edited by SwallowEmbiigLoads on Sep 24 2021 01:41am

Completely understood.

WAR accounts for defense. What else do we need to talk about?

Harper now has 96 runs, 39 doubles, 33 HR, and 95 walks.

There have only been 4 players in MLB history to have a 100/40/30/100 season: Babe Ruth, Ted Williams, Barry Bonds, and Bobby Abreu.

Barring an injury, Harper should join that club as the 5th player to ever do it.


Oh, and speaking of defense....had himself a nice play to save the game the other night:



This post was edited by Sixers on Sep 24 2021 09:01am