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Aug 16 2016 07:51am
Quote (Benny21 @ Aug 15 2016 05:52pm)
I don't view top 5 as "in the conversation"

I think of in the conversation as someone who has a legitimate shot to win the award. Mookie has no shot at winning MVP over Altuve, Trout, or Donaldson.


Well if thats how were viewing it, no one has a chance over altuve.

Mookie has a better chance beating trout and donaldson for 2nd then anyone has of passing altuve right now
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Aug 16 2016 10:03am
Quote (Benny21 @ Aug 15 2016 05:52pm)
I don't view top 5 as "in the conversation"

I think of in the conversation as someone who has a legitimate shot to win the award. Mookie has no shot at winning MVP over Altuve, Trout, or Donaldson.


This.

Let's just take a look at 2015 for comparison.

AL MVP:
1. Josh Donsldson
2. Mike Trout
3. Lorenzo Cain
4. Manny Machado
5. Dallas Keuchel

Nobody got first place votes other than Trout and Donaldson. You're saying Dallas Keuchel was in the conversation for MVP?? Cmon.

NL MVP:
1. Bryce Harper
2. Paul Goldschmidt
3. Joey Votto
4. Anthony Rizzo
5. Andrew McCutchen

This was harpers award all the way, Goldschmidt atleast a compelling #2. But was McCutchen ever even considered an MVP candidate? Don't think so.

AL Cy Young:
1. Dallas Keuchel
2. David Price
3. Sonny Gray
4. Chris Sale
5. Chris Archer

Again, #3,4,5 got zero first place votes. Chris Archer didn't stand a chance at winning the Cy young last year.

NL Cy Young
1. Jake Arrieta
2. Zack Greinke
3. Clayton Kershaw
4. Gerrit Cole
5. Max Scherzer

Cole and Scherzer were afterthoughts. This was a 3 man race.


Go back to 2014, it's the exact same story in each award.
Michael Brantley, Jose Abreu and Robinson Cano were #3,4,5 in AL MVP voting. None were ever in consideration to win.

Jonathan Lucroy and Anthony Rendon were #4,5 in NL MVP voting. Again, not even considered a threat to win. Zero first place votes among them.

#5 in MVP voting just means you had a really good season.
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Aug 16 2016 07:46pm
I Betts the O's think he's in the conversation.
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Aug 16 2016 10:01pm
Quote (xVitality @ Aug 16 2016 11:03am)
This.

Let's just take a look at 2015 for comparison.

AL MVP:
1. Josh Donsldson
2. Mike Trout
3. Lorenzo Cain
4. Manny Machado
5. Dallas Keuchel

Nobody got first place votes other than Trout and Donaldson. You're saying Dallas Keuchel was in the conversation for MVP?? Cmon.

NL MVP:
1. Bryce Harper
2. Paul Goldschmidt
3. Joey Votto
4. Anthony Rizzo
5. Andrew McCutchen

This was harpers award all the way, Goldschmidt atleast a compelling #2. But was McCutchen ever even considered an MVP candidate? Don't think so.

AL Cy Young:
1. Dallas Keuchel
2. David Price
3. Sonny Gray
4. Chris Sale
5. Chris Archer

Again, #3,4,5 got zero first place votes. Chris Archer didn't stand a chance at winning the Cy young last year.

NL Cy Young
1. Jake Arrieta
2. Zack Greinke
3. Clayton Kershaw
4. Gerrit Cole
5. Max Scherzer

Cole and Scherzer were afterthoughts. This was a 3 man race.


Go back to 2014, it's the exact same story in each award.
Michael Brantley, Jose Abreu and Robinson Cano were #3,4,5 in AL MVP voting. None were ever in consideration to win.

Jonathan Lucroy and Anthony Rendon were #4,5 in NL MVP voting. Again, not even considered a threat to win. Zero first place votes among them.

#5 in MVP voting just means you had a really good season.


so youre basically saying altuve won?


because hes the very clear cut #1. the race between 2/3/4 is closer than anyone is to altuve.
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Aug 17 2016 05:45am
Quote (Genetics @ Aug 16 2016 11:01pm)
so youre basically saying altuve won?


because hes the very clear cut #1. the race between 2/3/4 is closer than anyone is to altuve.


All I'm saying is that if you're #5 in MVP voting, you're not really in contention lmao.

So this nigga lanarky being a homer and getting all big saying Betts will be top 5 in MVP voting, actually means shit other than he had a great season.

Betts could finish 2nd or even 1st... But to come up in here with your dick in the air saying he's MVP and will guarantee finish top 5.. That's just foolish. Top 5 don't mean shit.
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Aug 17 2016 06:05am
Quote (xVitality @ Aug 17 2016 07:45am)
All I'm saying is that if you're #5 in MVP voting, you're not really in contention lmao.

So this nigga lanarky being a homer and getting all big saying Betts will be top 5 in MVP voting, actually means shit other than he had a great season.

Betts could finish 2nd or even 1st... But to come up in here with your dick in the air saying he's MVP and will guarantee finish top 5.. That's just foolish. Top 5 don't mean shit.


My posts said he is in the convo and Altuve was leading. You say hes not in the convo. You are silly.
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Aug 17 2016 07:58am
89 RBIs as a lead off , not bad not bad
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Aug 17 2016 12:19pm
How the fk this thread go this long without a single ryan post?
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Aug 17 2016 01:37pm
Quote (Ianarky @ Aug 17 2016 07:05am)
My posts said he is in the convo and Altuve was leading. You say hes not in the convo. You are silly.


#5 in voting = not in convo.
You try and bet he finishes top 5.. Top 3 maybe
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Aug 17 2016 02:30pm
Quote (xVitality @ Aug 17 2016 02:37pm)
#5 in voting = not in convo.
You try and bet he finishes top 5.. Top 3 maybe


But if thats the case then i feel like no one is in contention besides altuve.

Betts is right in the same area as trout and donaldson in my opinion. Maybe slightly behind, but hes in the conversation for #2.
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