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Aug 11 2010 12:42pm
Quote (FatZero @ Aug 11 2010 11:40am)
but the point is, your preemptively adding him as a welcher, when he hasnt "welched"


Are you going to preemptive import all of the poker welchers, and d2jsp scammers, since its "likely" they will welch in sports bets?


Better safe than sorry. Something a lot of people have learned the hard way on here (anyone remember Keith's little stunt with the Jazz a while ago? lol)

And there's no need to add the poker welchers because their status will show up on the script and d2jsp scammers get tagged by the jsp mods.
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Aug 11 2010 12:42pm
Quote (Randolph @ Aug 11 2010 02:38pm)
If you welch on a sig debt then what's saying that person is above welching on a bet's debt?

And Yohan can't keep an account unlocked for more than a day.  I'm not going to waste my time dealing with that.


Well, I don't really care much so long as the list doesn't make exceptions for people. And as a side note, that eminem sig worth 350? WHAT?! LOL.
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Aug 11 2010 12:43pm
Quote (JeanR @ 11 Aug 2010 11:42)
Well, I don't really care much so long as the list doesn't make exceptions for people. And as a side note, that eminem sig worth 350? WHAT?! LOL.


its clearly making an exception now, the only reason he was added was because the "victum" was trusted, and has friends that run the list... additionally it isnt like he ever once agreed to pay 350 for it, so he didnt welch, he just outright stole it without permission... now I am not excusing his actions, but lets call an apple an apple here...

They even said "this hurts him more then losing sig rights" so its clearly a move to upset him, and just have people flex their power over an unrelated issue, all this does is destroy the credibility of the list

This post was edited by FatZero on Aug 11 2010 12:44pm
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Aug 11 2010 12:45pm
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its clearly making an exception now, the only reason he was added was because the "victum" was trusted, and has friends that run the list... additionally it isnt like he ever once agreed to pay 350 for it, so he didnt welch, he just outright stole it without permission... now I am not excusing his actions, but lets call an apple an apple here...

They even said "this hurts him more then losing sig rights"  so its clearly a move to upset him, and just have people flex their power over an unrelated issue, all this does is destroy the credibility of the list


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Aug 11 2010 12:46pm
Quote (FatZero @ Aug 11 2010 02:43pm)
its clearly making an exception now, the only reason he was added was because the "victum" was trusted, and has friends that run the list... additionally it isnt like he ever once agreed to pay 350 for it, so he didnt welch, he just outright stole it without permission... now I am not excusing his actions, but lets call an apple an apple here...


Nope. I have no problem with our list being stricter than the other forums. If you have the balls to dodge paying a trusted/med on this forum for a sig then you would def have the balls to welch any random peon around here.
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Aug 11 2010 12:48pm
Quote (JeanR @ Aug 11 2010 11:42am)
Well, I don't really care much so long as the list doesn't make exceptions for people. And as a side note, that eminem sig worth 350? WHAT?! LOL.


I think Jeremy really did charge that much for sigs when he was selling them lol. (maybe 250, can't remember but I wasn't going to make him pay that much anyways if it came to that).

Quote (FatZero @ Aug 11 2010 11:43am)
its clearly making an exception now, the only reason he was added was because the "victum" was trusted, and has friends that run the list... additionally it isnt like he ever once agreed to pay 350 for it, so he didnt welch, he just outright stole it without permission... now I am not excusing his actions, but lets call an apple an apple here...


There have been a few people added to the welchers list in the past for welching sigs from any sig maker. If it's brought to my attention (or whoever was running the list at the time of the situation) then it is taken care of the same way. And regardless if he agreed to pay or not, it's still stealing and a very shady action. I'd rather take the precaution to tag them and deal with the bitching then risk letting a good and fair bettor be welched.
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Aug 11 2010 12:48pm
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Quote (JeanR @ 11 Aug 2010 11:46)
Nope. I have no problem with our list being stricter than the other forums. If you have the balls to dodge paying a trusted/med on this forum for a sig then you would def have the balls to welch any random peon around here.


Stricter? the issue has nothing to do with betting... additionally poker is 10 times as strict (it needs to be)

i've even seen mediators and trusted in this sub forum brag about how they have 24 hours to pay people, rubbing it in they dont have to pay till like 23 hours later just to be a dick....

If thats the type of "strict" love you want... go ahead, but I had hopes for something better, its funny how everyone wants to be on the list, until they have to do work, then all of a sudden its a giant burden to them
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Aug 11 2010 12:49pm
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Aug 11 2010 12:50pm
Quote (Randolph @ 11 Aug 2010 11:48)
I think Jeremy really did charge that much for sigs when he was selling them lol.  (maybe 250, can't remember but I wasn't going to make him pay that much anyways if it came to that).



There have been a few people added to the welchers list in the past for welching sigs from any sig maker.  If it's brought to my attention (or whoever was running the list at the time of the situation) then it is taken care of the same way.  And regardless if he agreed to pay or not, it's still stealing and a very shady action.  I'd rather take the precaution to tag them and deal with the bitching then risk letting a good and fair bettor be welched.


Just to interject a simple point, the morality in stealing a sig, and welching a bet are entirly different... one could make the point that since I violate so many of the sites rules, I am likely to welch too... since I am outrightedly breaking rules... but the fact of the matter is they are completely different events, with different choices leading up to them....

an additional point I will add, is iBrent has 100's of games of poker, and probably over 100 bets in other subforums in the Sports C. without a single accusation or "dick move" like waiting 23.9 hours to pay someone

This post was edited by FatZero on Aug 11 2010 12:51pm
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