Quote (Sixers @ Sep 17 2021 04:50pm)

What you're saying is not making sense....

Harper leads all of baseball in OPS, wOBA, wRC+, and is 2nd in WAR.

Harper MLB ranks
Avg - #3
OBP - #2
SLG - #2
OPS - #1

Quote (FunkDoc @ Sep 17 2021 04:57pm)

.. So?

There’s more that goes into deciding an MVP.

What I said makes complete sense and is 100% correct.

Just because you like Harper, doesn’t mean he’s MVP or a better player overall than the top AL stars.. because he’s not.

Quote (Sixers @ Sep 17 2021 05:02pm)

Harper is a better pure hitter than Ohtani, but Ohtani is doing something nobody else can do....pitching too lol.

Ohtani is going to win MVP though because he's a freak and is not just a good hitter, but also a really good pitcher lol. His season is unquestioned, to do what he has done on the mound AND at the plate is wild.

Vlad could win the triple crown, he currently leads in all 3 categories. He also leads in HR's and is #3 in the AL in RBI. And still won't win MVP because of the season Ohtani is having at the plate AND mound.

Quote (FunkDoc @ Sep 17 2021 05:05pm)

Yes. Everybody and their cousin knows this my brother lol.

What does that have to do with the fact that the top AL MVP front runners all > Harper?

Quote (Sixers @ Sep 17 2021 05:19pm)

I guess i should have just left it at Harper is the better hitter.

He's not a pitcher so idgaf about that aspect of the game. That's what the Cy Young award is for in my eyes. Harper will win NL MVP that's all i care about, he's more than worth his contract is my point.

Quote (FunkDoc @ Sep 17 2021 05:28pm)

Honestly 25 mill AAV is not terrible for Harper. If he didn’t get it from Philly he would have got it somewhere else. That I believe for sure.

Imo it’s probably 1 or 2 mill over value but at that point who cares. Overpaying for star power in pro sports is how it works ( I guess Pippen never got the memo :lol: ). It’s pretty much a matter of how much one organization is willing to overpay compared to the next.

Mbn

Quote (Sixers @ Sep 17 2021 05:39pm)

$25 million AAV is very good already, anyone who is just now warming up to the idea that this might have been a good deal for the Phils should not be trusted to give a market value assessment. People saw the $330M number and thought it was crazy, not realizing that's spread out over such a long period of time.

In a few years that $25M is going to be a flat out bargain for the Phillies, like a flat out steal.

Quote (FunkDoc @ Sep 17 2021 05:52pm)

It’s decent. I wouldn’t argue that Harper or the organization is taking it up the ass with that contract one way or another. For a player like Harper it’s your run of the mill overpay-what-you-can-afford-for-your-star type of contract. I wasn’t mad when the contract was offered and i wouldn’t be mad now (even though I’m not a Phillies fan). It’s a very understandable contract that left both sides content.

I’m not sure if I agree with your projection of a few years down the road though, for a few reasons -

1- Potential injury
2- He’s heading into his 11th season and closing in on age 30, generally players (regardless of how talented) would be peaking around this time and start to digress
3- Uncertainty within the organization (where will they stand in 2-3 years for example?)

Quote (Sixers @ Sep 17 2021 06:07pm)

Well those risks always sit with any big long term contract of course. And it's not like Harper was old when he signed, he was just 26 years old. His contract runs through 38 years old, with the contract being a bit front loaded too.

The Phillies sleep well at night with this signing, that's for sure. He's one of the most marketable players in the league, his jersey sales are always among the top selling, and they're getting MVP level production out of him. Within the next few years we'll see more and more absurd contracts handed out with AAV reaching crazy levels. His $25M AAV is already not even in the top 10 in baseball, and he'll only drop farther and farther on that list as bigger and bigger contracts are handed out in the coming years.

We just need the front office to do a better job of surrounding him with talent so he can actually have a chance to win a ring :wallbash:

Quote (FunkDoc @ Sep 17 2021 06:16pm)

That reminds me I don’t have a Harper jersey in my collection :rofl: I really got into baseball jerseys the last few years. I have a retro Griffey Jr Mariners jersey and a Pence Giants on the way at the moment :thumbsup:

And yea, contract $$ will keep going up as they have been since the game started lol. Inflation and all that :rofl: But I get where you’re coming from. There’s going to be some crazies to be seen in the next few years for sure. My Blue Jays better cough up that dough for Vladdy otherwise I’m going to be outside protesting to have Atkins balls chopped off lmao.