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#11
Sep 25 2017 06:12pm
Quote (Babolat @ Sep 25 2017 06:36pm)
Just smacked numbers 49 and 50 today, dude is unreal.


Impressive in 2010.
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Sep 25 2017 06:19pm
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Impressive in 2010.


I think I made it clear I'd still give it to Altuve

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+ I think hitting 50 home runs as a rookie is pretty impressive, given it has never been done before.

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Sep 25 2017 07:50pm
Judge should win it. Astros would be a contender with or without Altuve. Yankees wouldn't be where they are without Judge's contribution.

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Sep 25 2017 08:10pm
Quote (xVitality @ Sep 24 2017 05:14pm)
If Trout was healthy all year, he wins hands down.
Judge not even close to Altuve.

I'd even give it to Trout over Judge.

Trout: 107 GP = .310/.442/.616 86 R/29 HR/66 RBI/21 SB 6.1 fWAR / 178 wRC+
Judge: 148 GP and 164 wRC+


Oh come on. In what world is Judge "not even close" to Altuve?

Judge has Altuve in every category except batting average(lol) and SB's. And with today's two homerun's, Judge also has him in fWAR.

People love to point out the strikeouts(and never talk about his AL lead in BB's) but it's statistically proven that a strikeout is no worse than a groundout or popup over a full season. The inability to move a runner over is negated by the fact that you can't hit into a double play with a strikeout.

At the end of the day, the overall ability to not make outs is the most valuable skill in baseball and Judge has done that better than anyone as evident by his OBP.

With that said, I do think Altuve should get MVP based on positional scarcity and his value on the bases. But the race is neck and neck(probably the wrong idiom to use considering their height differences :thumbsup: ).

I don't put much value into the argument that Judge is more valuable to his team etc etc, since players don't get to choose their situations. I think every award race is going to be extremely close in both leagues(dat AL Cy Young decision will be so much fun) except for the RotY(Bellinger and Judge both have those unanimously).

Quote (xVitality @ Sep 25 2017 05:12pm)
Impressive in 2010.


This is straight up hater shit. You're better than that, m8.

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Sep 25 2017 08:20pm
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Oh come on. In what world is Judge "not even close" to Altuve?

Judge has Altuve in every category except batting average(lol) and SB's. And with today's two homerun's, Judge also has him in fWAR.

People love to point out the strikeouts(and never talk about his AL lead in BB's) but it's statistically proven that a strikeout is no worse than a groundout or popup over a full season. The inability to move a runner over is negated by the fact that you can't hit into a double play with a strikeout.

At the end of the day, the overall ability to not make outs is the most valuable skill in baseball and Judge has done that better than anyone as evident by his OBP.

With that said, I do think Altuve should get MVP based on positional scarcity and his value on the bases. But the race is neck and neck(probably the wrong idiom to use considering their height differences :thumbsup: ).

I don't put much value into the argument that Judge is more valuable to his team etc etc, since players don't get to choose their situations. I think every award race is going to be extremely close in both leagues(dat AL Cy Young decision will be so much fun) except for the RotY(Bellinger and Judge both have those unanimously).



This is straight up hater shit. You're better than that, m8.


What's straight up hater shit about saying it would be impressive when the ball wasn't juiced and every single player in baseball wasn't hitting at least 20 homers. Homers are at a ridiculous pace this is by far the worst baseball era right along with the steroid. There's less reliance on sb; ultimately, removing the greatest part of baseball; the cat & mouse game between a runner and pitcher. Now it's just stand on first and wait for a homer.

I'm the biggest baseball lover there is but it's ridiculous to watch someone get jammed and hit a homer.


With that said, it won't be as close as people think. Altuve will win it and I personally think judge should for the lone reason of you take Altuve off the Astros; they're still a playoff team and still probably the best offense in baseball regardless. Without Judge (and Didi), the Yankees aren't anywhere near where they are. Unfortunately, voters don't vote that way or at least haven't in the past if both teams make the playoffs.

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Sep 25 2017 08:26pm
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What's straight up hater shit about saying it would be impressive when the ball wasn't juiced and every single player in baseball wasn't hitting at least 20 homers. Homers are at a ridiculous pace this is by far the worst baseball era right along with the steroid. There's less reliance on sb; ultimately, removing the greatest part of baseball; the cat & mouse game between a runner and pitcher. Now it's just stand on first and wait for a homer.

I'm the biggest baseball lover there is but it's ridiculous to watch someone get jammed and hit a homer.


That sounds like a YOU problem more than a baseball problem. And Judge isn't hitting 20 HR's, he's hitting 50. 5-0. As a rookie. Keep underselling his historical season because of your personal infatuation with bunts and pick off throws. Homeruns are and always will be the best part of baseball.
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Sep 25 2017 08:31pm
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That sounds like a YOU problem more than a baseball problem. And Judge isn't hitting 20 HR's, he's hitting 50. 5-0. As a rookie. Keep underselling his historical season because of your personal infatuation with bunts and pick off throws. Homeruns are and always will be the best part of baseball.


Where did I say he isn't having a great season; not impressive to me. It would be a historical and impressive season had it not be in the juiced ball era. Just like Bonds' record has a nice asterisk to it. It's also a record for the most guys with 20+ homers; care to not say the ball doesn't have some altercation to it? You'd be foolish to think otherwise.

FYI, Bellinger is doing the same thing in the NL.. also Matt Olson, Hoskins, among others. Tell me now; what's so impressive?

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Sep 25 2017 08:38pm
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Where did I say he isn't having a great season; not impressive to me. It would be a historical and impressive season had it not be in the juiced ball era. Just like Bonds' record has a nice asterisk to it. It's also a record for the most guys with 20+ homers; care to not say the ball doesn't have some altercation to it? You'd be foolish to think otherwise.

FYI, Bellinger is doing the same thing in the NL.. also Matt Olson, Hoskins, among others. Tell me now; what's so impressive?


They didn't hit 50 so not as good.
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Sep 25 2017 08:41pm
Quote (xVitality @ Sep 25 2017 09:38pm)
They didn't hit 50 so not as good.


Bellinger has 39 in nearly 30 less games; not much difference.
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Sep 25 2017 08:52pm
Quote (Schwarber @ Sep 25 2017 07:31pm)
Where did I say he isn't having a great season; not impressive to me. It would be a historical and impressive season had it not be in the juiced ball era. Just like Bonds' record has a nice asterisk to it. It's also a record for the most guys with 20+ homers; care to not say the ball doesn't have some altercation to it? You'd be foolish to think otherwise.

FYI, Bellinger is doing the same thing in the NL.. also Matt Olson, Hoskins, among others. Tell me now; what's so impressive?


Quote (xVitality @ Sep 25 2017 07:38pm)
They didn't hit 50 so not as good.


LOL

He has 9(!!) more HR's than the next guy in the AL. That is impressive no matter what era or what ball they are using. It's not like they bring out this theoretical juiced ball only when Judge bats :rofl:

And you can bring up those other guys' seasons all you want but Judge's season is significantly better than all of them(lol @ bringing up dudes that have played ~50 games). None of them have done it over a full season. Judge isn't just hitting dingers, he's walking at a historical pace, playing really good defense, and is an asset on the bases. The historical HR rate isn't the only thing driving his monster season. But I guess not enough bunts and hit and runs to impress you.
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