Well this thread ended quickly

Except for the Cubs haven't really lost any production by rolling out Bryant in LF and Baez at 3b..

However, the Mets don't have that kind of depth to replace Harvey; they're currently going to use Logan Verrett (who?) to slide in the rotation now.

Syndergard left last night with the same issue Harvey has, Matz also has the same problem, Wheeler had another setback. Please tell me how this thread ended quickly.

This post was edited by Schwarber on Jul 9 2016 07:36am

im not going to comment on how the cubs have been doing lately, but i'm optimistic that these guys for the mets will be OK by the end of the season. If wheeler returns post all star break that would be great...he's much needed. Harvey's season has pretty much been a wash all year long. It's unfortunate he got hurt again, but I'm hopeful he'll return to form next year. I think DeGrom can be relied upon. Matz is a solid #3 starter. I'm hoping these syndergaard struggles are only fatigue, and he'll be rejuvenated post all star break.

Syndergaard didn't leave with the same issue harvey has....harvey has thoracic outlet syndrome and requires vascular surgery...syndergaard is supposedly just dealing with fatigue.


The Mets offense has been looking solid lately. Cespedes getting hurt last night isn't promising, but at the same time I'm hopeful he'll be good after the all star break.



The bullpen has been fantastic with the reed and familia. DeGrom's been great. I think this all star break is very timely, and am hopeful we'll be fine. It's a long season.

This post was edited by jajaja on Jul 9 2016 07:42am

I've already said the Cubs have sucked the past 3 weeks losing 14 of the last 19. The bullpen and Arrieta/Lackey have had a rough few weeks but it was bound to happen with how historic of a start they were off to.

Syndergard & Matz both have bone spurs in the elbow; a little different than Harvey.. but still anything with the elbow or shoulder is never a good thing.

This post was edited by Schwarber on Jul 9 2016 08:04am

its a lot different than harvey....


harvey requires vascular surgery for compression of nerves negatively effecting muscles in his upper limb


Bone spurs are like blisters or localized inflammation of bone, in their case its in the elbow. It'll become problematic if the pain is very intolerable which hasn't been the case, or if the spurs break off and become loose bodies. Syndergaard and Matz do not necessarily require surgery as symptoms of manageable pain can be controlled. I'm hopeful that they won't require surgery and periodic rest will be sufficient for them to continue on throughout the year. Even if they do require eblow arthroscopy(only if the pain is extremley intolerable or if loose bodies are formed) , it's not as major as something liek tommy john. Recovery takes about 2 months. And there aren't long term complications associated with the surgery

Bone spurs are quite common. Roy Halladay, Johan Santana, Tanaka are names of pitchers who have had bone spurs surgically removed and came back to pitch successfully (Halladay/Santana had them in their prime. I guess you can say that about tanaka too).

Miguel cabrera is another hitter who's had bone spurs surgically removed



Edit: harvey on the other hand...thoracic outlet decompression is apparently not a great surgery in terms of success rates without complication. I'm reading that it's often a form of last resort for treatment of patients with thoracic outlet syndrome, and is only recommended in severe cases. That does not look/sound good at all.


So yeah, a lot different than harvey.

This post was edited by jajaja on Jul 9 2016 08:24am