Quote (xVitality @ Nov 20 2015 06:51am)

How am I supposed to prove your misunderstanding of the award wrong?

Arrieta: 8.7 WAR, 3,630,000 salary
Bryce Harper: 9.9 WAR, 2,500,000 salary

Harper provided 1.2 more Wins than Arrieta AND was paid less per win.

Harper is more valuable than Arrieta in every sense. Just because Washington didn't make the playoffs doesn't diminish his value. You're basically saying every player on teams that don't make the playoffs is worthless. Which is fucking stupid.

You're also have no idea what would of happened if Arrieta didn't pitch out of his mind in the 2nd half. How can we assume that whoever pitched in his place wouldn't have allowed the Cubs to win those games? Maybe their ERA wouldn't have been 1.5, but who says it needs to be for the Cubs to win all those games? Maybe Chicago had Bostons version of Rich Hill in their system. Nobody knows and will never know. Doesn't make 90% of all players worthless because they don't make the playoffs...

Quote (KrWWW @ Nov 20 2015 07:59am)

The debate was Harper or Arenado..

both missed playoffs and they went with Harper

Quote (xVitality @ Nov 20 2015 08:51am)

cSwish is arguing that both these players are worthless because Washington or Colorado didn't make the playoffs.

He thinks Wilmer Flores is a more valuable player than both of them.

Quote (Schwarber @ Nov 20 2015 11:08am)

His point is completely valid and I'd argue a MVP Arrieta, McCutchen, Rizzo, or Greinke.

Sorry but the MVP has to be on a playoff team and for not having any of the top 3 on a playoff team is a joke; they have SILVER SLUGGERS to represent the best offensive players.
It's way different pressure situations hitting and different things you have to do get a runner over/advance that players on non contending teams don't have to do.

Quote (KrWWW @ Nov 20 2015 10:16am)

Chicago fan defending Chicago fan :bonk:

Quote (Schwarber @ Nov 20 2015 10:22am)

I may be a Cubs fan but I'm a Baseball fan and clearly cuz I totally homered the Cubs at all there.. o wait I didn't.

Harper was without a doubt the best OFFENSIVE player.

The MVP is the most valuable to a team that is succesful.

Quote (Schwarber @ Nov 20 2015 08:22am)

I may be a Cubs fan but I'm a Baseball fan and clearly cuz I totally homered the Cubs at all there.. o wait I didn't.

Harper was without a doubt the best OFFENSIVE player.

The MVP is the most valuable to a team that is succesful.

Quote (Schwarber @ Nov 20 2015 10:22am)

I may be a Cubs fan but I'm a Baseball fan and clearly cuz I totally homered the Cubs at all there.. o wait I didn't.

Harper was without a doubt the best OFFENSIVE player.

The MVP is the most valuable to a team that is succesful.