Lance Armstrong has achieved more then

"jail time" LOL? Are you dumb? I'm not even going to argue with you because your English is broken, and you make no sense.

again, for the future: stricter controls, lifetime bans and huge fines. make it absolutely not worth the risk...
and you're delusional if you think cheating makes it a level field so the best still won. first of all there might have been some exceptions - some people who actually did not cheat. and secondly, there is a huge difference in what you take, how long, if you stop during the off-season...



no, the definition of an assumption is something you assume. and what exactly do you think i'm just assuming? you're completely missing the point here trying to split hairs, it doesn't change the facts and those are pretty obvious...



"are you dumb?"
"your english is broken."

coming from a guy who obviously doesn't know the difference between "then" and "than" - pretty bold...
and don't try to blame your lack of arguments on my english, fanboy...

If that was possible, they would have done it already. But the whole reason we are in this mess is because the testers have proven that they are not able to test effectively. Doping cyclists have been winning for years while passing the tests. Armstrong won 7 in a row while being tested more heavily than anyone; that is proof the cyclists are better at evading than the testers are at catching.

So to look at this situation realistically, we have to consider that the fact that effective testing is impossible. The only way to catch a good dope-cyclist is to spend tons of money over 10 years chasing them down. So that leaves us with only 2 approaches : go on witch hunts for just the winners (meaning all future winners will be stripped) or don't be so obsessive about all their cheating.

it sounds like you'd rather just accept doping as part of the sport and preferred that armstrong kept his titles or am i getting a wrong impression here?

"witch hunts", huh? exactly the term armstrong likes to use. implying it's not really that big of a deal...
i completely disagree. it IS a big deal - otherwise he could just admit it and say "hey, i cheated but everybody does it anyway so allow it or you'll have no winners in the future." but he keeps denying...

you're right. the cheaters are always one step ahead of the testers (which is somewhat to be expected since there is much money involved and you can't test for what you don't know yet).
but in preserving the bloodsamples they made a great leap forward, armstrong's case is the perfect example: it wasn't until 2004 that they were able to prove there was EPO in his samples from 1999...

i still think if they sytematically banned and punished all the cheaters now (i'm talking lifetime bans and harsh penalties), they'd maybe realize it isn't worth the risk. those1-2 years ban like contador's for example are obviously not enough.
btw, testing is always expensive but sadly it belongs to modern sport (not only cycling) - and that's certainly no reason not to be diligent (or "so obsessive" as you like to put it) about it...

messi is more of a cheater than him. he openly used hgh for years but no one cares
he should be a worthless midget in argentina, but he cheated and now hes better than everyone. coincidence? i think not

finally..one of the biggest cheater ever in sports

This post was edited by RomagnanoMdM on Aug 27 2012 07:54am

I'd prefer they put the same testing/investigating process on all competitors.

good, me too. and also the same ban. banning a 40 year old for lifetime from professional sport is easy but guys like contador should be banned for lifetime, too...
unfortunately the spanish anti doping agency has no interest whatsoever in doing that...

Then you should be unhappy about the recent result because it is proof that they do not investigate everyone the same. That's why I'm unhappy about the result.

More effort was put into catching 1 guy than everyone else. That's a violation of competitive fairness.

This post was edited by kayeto on Aug 27 2012 01:57pm

"competitive fairness"? are you serious? we're talking about cheaters! that doesn't make sense at all - i'm happy with the result because it's one less cheater, and a big one for that matter.
more effort was put into this because he had the means to to weasel out for so long not because they were only after him. it's not like they let the others go, they just didn't have the support (money, lawyers, important friends in UCI / tour de france management) armstrong has...

sure, i would be even happier if they banned more cheaters... but this is a good result for the sport no matter how you look at it...