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Couldn't find the "not in top 50" option.
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Couldn't find the "not in top 50" option.


lol, noob.

last option, not in top 5 of all time.

get on my level.
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i hear that entirely, and its a great point.

for me, i put them as a tie for greatest ever.  its not like jordan is better in every aspect of the game than kobe
kobe's made the reverse dunk his signature, and throws down more 360's in a season than guys do in careers.

the thing that separates the two significantly as far as accolades, are mj's 6 finals mvps.  he deserved every one of them.
but i still firmly believe kobe should have gotten at least 1 ( of the 3 ) finals mvp during the kobe-shaq 3peat.  even shaq himself said kobe is the best in the league back then ( though that might have been an exaggeration and a way to motivate kobe )

i mean the game changes too... we'll never see anyone go 6 for 6 ( with 6 finals mvps again ) just like we'll never see a 100 pt game ( or 50 pt averaged season ) etc etc.  it all depends how you perceive each era.  and generally speaking each era transcends its predecessor. so in essence the greatest player of this era is better than the greatest player of the previous era.


to the top thing uve said, it doesnt matter how u get the ball in the hoop, the points are all worth the same, unless of outside the arc.

kobe's jump shot for me, is his best asset in his scoring game.

This post was edited by TerryWrist on Feb 2 2011 07:25am
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Feb 6 2011 09:39pm
Ir's not close...

Jordan, Russel, Bird, Magic are the top 4 all time.

- Kobe was the best player on his team for only 2 of his 5 championships. (Jordan was for 6 of 6, Russel 11/11, Magic 5/5, Bird 3/3)
- Kobe doesn't make his teammates better like these other guys do, in fact many would say he makes his teammates worse (Odom would be putting up more numbers and making All-star teams if he was playing elsewhere)
- Kobe is a great individual scorer, an excellent individual defender and a good clutch scorer, but he isn't as good as Jordan in any of these 3 categories and the other greats have more aspects to their game than just the individual play.

After the clear top 4, the discussion can open up and include many people like Shaq, Kobe, Karim, Duncan. Dr J ...
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Jordan, Russel, Bird, Magic Johnson, Chamberlain, Abdul-Jabbar, Shaq, Oscar Robertson, Julius Erving, maybe even walton and malone.... I mean I would stuggle to put kobe above any of the names i just listed.

Top 10, but nothing more imo... I mean I know it's unfair to say people like shaq cuz of position, but I mean i think shaq dominated more than kobe does. kobe also has always had a supporting cast to win his titles.
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