I go to a top 20~30

You're asian

I know, I'm a failure

Gone hunting

This post was edited by Raley on Dec 12 2012 05:42pm

What does it being the primary source have to do with anything? It's just that much less meat the person is going to buy (. It's zero sum unless you contend people eat more meat because they've hunted, which hasn't been justified. Therefore, to maintain your argument, you're going to have to extend it to morally obligatory vegetarianism, and probably veganism as it's difficult to justify slavery if you can't justify killing.



Unless you provide some basis for the equivocation of human life with animal life, this is baseless. And what do you think "dealt with accordingly" would be? (i.e., killed, equivalent to hunting, except hunting costs taxpayers nothing -- licensing fees make up for fiscal losses, and it generates some tourism dollars.)

The US Forestry Service (http://www.fs.fed.us/ne/newtown_square/news/NE_news/2003/articles/boston_globe_Study_Deer_overpopul.pdf) calls overpopulation a risk to forest environments, even in areas without deforestation. They carry ticks which carry Lyme disease, and this moving into residential areas is obviously risky. An article from the Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/01/AR2010110107194.html) mentions $4 billions of dollars in costs associated with car accidents involving deer and ~140 deaths a year. An interview from NPR (http://www.npr.org/2011/06/15/137192604/what-does-more-deer-mean-for-forests) talks about an experiment by the Smithsonian showing lots more biodiversity in an area closed off to deer for 20 years, indicating a more sustainable environment without the deer.

The issue isn't that deer in this sort of ecosystem is natural, as some of your arguments tacitly assume, it's very much not the norm historically that they don't have natural predators. Humans have killed these predators, mostly, but that doesn't make it any less of a problem if we're to desire sustainable environments. But, through conservation efforts, we have tried to increase their populations, and it worked extremely well, but we didn't consider the fact that the ecosystem that is actually natural for them no longer exists.

And hitting deer often has little to do with driving skills, they tend to jump into the road from the adjacent hillsides hidden by trees, and swerving to miss them (which isn't even always possible) is very much discouraged (and really coerced by applying legal liability) for concerns of human safety.

So let's stop the education pissing contest and make actual arguments or stfu.

+1 for the hunters this debate is long over the anti hunters have used 0 facts only feelings and personal attacks. Once again it showed their ignorance.

If "everyone knows what rights are" then why are you dodging explaining what they are?
The truth is most people, including yourself, have no understanding of what rights are, how they are derived and why that's the most relevant factor in this discussion.
You proved your ignorance by dodging the question, and by implying in an earlier post that animals possess human rights.

"and just so you don't respond with some other bullshit statement with words read straight from an ethics textbook, Yes I believe animals do because they, just as us are living members of this earth and don't deserve to be slaughtered mercilessly because they don't have firearms like big tough guy raley"

So you are claiming that being a biological organism endows something with rights. Because it lives on earth.
In other words you have no clue what rights are. Please stick to debating about basketball or whatever mindless shit you like to partake in. You are not a thinker.
Do some reading, do some research, and then go on a gaming forum and insult people you don't know for not sharing your enlightened morality.

This post was edited by Paran0id on Dec 13 2012 10:49am

Finally you get it. Lmao you were doing so well too. Then you go and thrown in your opinion and throw off you're debate. Fact is hunting's a sport. I do it out of the sporting nature and to receive meat that i can not buy any where else. I prefer to eat these meats throughout the whole year. I also make things out of most of the skins. It is not slaughter as you feel it to be. Slaughter is how you get your beef and your pork and your chicken and store bought turkeys; that is slaughter. Placing yourself out of sight and down wind and 1 well placed shot now that takes skill, time and commitment simply because unlike going to the store i have to have the skills it requires to skin the meat without wasting meat, i have to be able to find what has been shot( with a gun or bow and arrow), i have to have the skill to process the animal i have killed. These are all factors non hunters never think about simply because unlike them I can not simply just go to a store where i can find the animal already killed and processed. You will now say shoting something takes no skill. Then please explain why snipers are the most skilled killers in an army ( you will now say they hunt others with guns and ill LMAO at you because ill take the challenge over something that smell me if i dont cover my sent well enough or place my self down wind of them) it takes skills to shoot at a distance let alone to hit your exact mark every time. You will then say it takes not skill to just pull the fur off and start cutting up the meat. I will then LMAO at you again to pull the fur off with out any meat tares or fur tares is not as easy as it seems. Fur buyers only allow two .22 bullet sized holes in a pelt b4 docking the worth of the pelt. Not to mention there are schools for butchering meats correctly.

Now come at me bros but please stop the ignorance and state some facts

This post was edited by Raley on Dec 13 2012 06:08pm

got venison stew in the crockpot, and venison jerky in the dehydrator , i did have to cut up some poor innocent potatoes, carrots and celery to complete the stew tho.

This post was edited by Polygraph on Dec 14 2012 03:49am

lmao true that. Sunday ill be processing 2 more deer a hog and a steer can't wait for some more deer sausage.