I don't think Renji is the same vice captain as before. Renji has grown a lot in the past 2 years or so. New bankai, training with the zero division, he's probably as strong if not stronger than most of the captains already.

If Hisagi also has bankai then i wonder which other vice captains have it too. Masumoto looks like she has potential not to mention yachiru and others.

masumoto's bankai has kinda been revealed because I swear its in her boobs

I wouldn't consider him stronger unless he has his bankai at max, but Renji would never allow that in a 1v1 cuzz Ikkaku would fight in shikai until his ass was kicked then he'd go out with his bankai trying to 1 hit Renji before running out of engerty to fight.
As were Renji would mess around with shikai until he was lossing then he's go bankai and would just fuck Ikkaku up.

Renji's bankai is op for a vice, add on the training he's getting from zero division now. Ikkaku is probably going to train with Yumichika or Zarakai to get stronger but Renji will pass him up for sure.




Yachiru already showed her bankai with her blood Bankai to kill and her Shikai to heal.
Masumoto was also Isshen's vice so she might be able to get one but then again she probably won't. She's more of a fan service shingami, she had a 3v1 cat fight after all.

This post was edited by Austin on Jun 21 2013 11:16am

i meant the other yachiru, not unohana but i see what you mean. Matsumoto is old as fuck tho lol

This post was edited by OsD on Jun 21 2013 12:32pm

Ikkaku and hisagi should both be stronger than renji even after his training as i dont think those 2 slacked in that department either. Now i am not sure if i read a poorly translated one but it seems hisagi has a serious SERIOUS FEAR of using his bankai. I mean he is older than renji kira and hinomori.

Renji's bankai to me isnt really that good at alllllllllllllllllllllllllllll its a freaking cero i am really glad it got changed hopefully for the better. Ikkaku survived all those jackpot punches im sure he could survive a snakes wrap or spit lol. Hisagi extremely wounded still stood there with tousen who was arguably stronger than all the espada.(however aizen did warn GJ not to retaliate against him after cutting off the arm)

I am quite upset that ichigo has "twin" swords now i hope that is only in bankai and alludes to something scary with the 8th and 13th captains bankai.




Hrm she is about as old as gin? i assume you based that statement on isshin being captain JUST 20 years ago but come on they are centuries the commander had 2k years of adult hood i believe under him, what we know of at least.

This post was edited by Charity on Jun 22 2013 10:37am

the reason he has two swords isn't cause of his zapakuto, each sword is his seperate power, quincy and hollowpowers.
They formed 2 different swords and thus he can use them in shikai. Or that's what i understood from the chapter.

Renji's bankai is being reformed tho. There is no telling how awesome that shit is now.

Hrm i assumed he just used the quincy powers as a base seeing as how it is a shinigami(zanpakto) reforging process. I just took it to mean he didnt resent juha bach enough to throw away his powers.

You could be right though, maybe the 1000 years ago fall out meant that juha bach was accepted and may have had his quincy powers turned into that sword he uses(or is that just a steel schnider with his reiatsu around it).

The way juha bach accepted ichigo and let him which basically means power him up leads me to believe the fall out was caused by the soul king + shinigamis and that the soul king is actually evil or maybe a shinigami who did what aizen did. Also the commander being a part of it, having died now, means that they dont have to fight him on their way to confronting the soul king.

Hrm 2 post back to back Oh yeah!

Did juha bach develop the bankai stealing from suppressing ichigo all this time?

Alright clearly juha bach states only he could control the 1st immense power...is ichigo above said power and will it again only be him who can?

Ichigo reiatsu forces his sword to always be in shikai so what we saw was shikai or was it bankai?

the zero division guy said that ichigo has zangetsus so osd may be correct and they are actually 1 quincy blade and 1 shinigami blade...question is how do they refer to the 8th and 13th captain swords if anyone cares to look. I do believe they have one name for both though.



I know but like maito gai was changed to might guy(this was done officially not a bad translation) i still say the name i like more.

This post was edited by Charity on Jun 22 2013 11:09pm

Just fyi Charity his name isn't Juha Bach that was just a bad translation all sites used.

It's Yhwach

I'm sticking with Juha Bach, because that name is fucking awful.