Austin likes to make up stuff

Ichigo has never had any Quincy related powers until he suddenly had Blut Vain a few chapters back

Here's what I think happened, wall of text inc.
> Misaki, A Quincy, gets infected by Hollow.
> Ichidad, A Shinigami, saves her and creates Ichigo.
> Child has dormant Quincy powers, manifested by Juha Bach
> Child has dormant Hollow powers, suppressed and tucked away until the appearance of White
> Child has Shinigami powers, dormant until the Shattered Staff process.
> Rukia is sent to earth, and ends up giving Ichigo her powers briefly.
> Byakuya mericlessly takes them away, leaving Ichigo wanting to save her [entire point of the ss arc.] [Episode 17, 7:20, he severs ichigo's spirit chain]
> Through the shattered staff process, Ichigo unlocks Zangetsu, and his hollow powers are leaked out briefly.
> Destroys Ikkaku, Renji, Zaraki and Byakuya, now mastering the ways of Zangetsu.
> In his final fight with Byakuya, the hollow manifests itself. Refering itself to "I ain't got a name." [Episode 59, 12:10] Aizen leaves for Mexico.
> Now, he has some Shinigami powers, and trains to fully master the thing that broke out in his fight with Byakuya.
> Goes to Mexico after orihime is taken, and after countless battles of abusing his Masked powers, Orihime calls for a dead Ichigo, who comes back to life. The thing that broke out was Shirou, his Hollow powers. It says to "not die until the next time he comes out, or else he won't be able to use his true powers."
> Aizen, meanwhile is trying to create the king's key over at the real world, and Ichigo bum rushes there with the help of Unohana.
> Aizen beats the captains eventually, and heads to SS. Ichigo & Crew are unable to defeat Aizen. [Episode 301, 16:12] Ichigo's father decides to train Ichigo to learn his final Shinigami power trick, the Final Getsuga Tenshou via the time discrepancy in the wormhole thing.
I think i have it right up to this point, but here's where the confusion starts.
> Here, we are introduced to two (and a half) new figures.
> Tensa Zangetsu, what is he? A young version of the Quincy power manifestation [ due to Ichigo being in his Inner world while in Bankai ] ? Or the new manifestation of his Shinigami powers, of which Juha Bach were unable to suppress? [ Again, he's in Bankai. ]
> Ichigo's form during the Illlquiorra fight. He is now in front of Ichigo.
> The two then merge, and he claims that " the two powers were always one. " [ Episode 306, 04:45 ]
http://i.imgur.com/45YwYjo.png
> He eventually gets his Final Getsuga Tenshou.
> Beats Aizen with it, loses control of spirit energy entirely.
> Fullbringer time! His mother's latent hollow attack powers surface, only to be stolen by Ginjo.
> SS shows up, apparently "all planned" and gives Ichigo the ability to control Reishi again by infusing him with powers and shiz.

ANIME END

> Alright, Ichigo is chill as fuck, he be doing good ol' shinigami shit, until the fire nation, i mean quincies, attack.
> He rushes over there, decked out with his powers. Never ended up using Hollow powers though.
> Turns out the Quincies are secretly OP as fuck, they wreck soul society, and Ichigo barely lives because of his Blut Vene, the resurgence of his Quincy powers, but his Zanpakutou is broken.
> Sent to Division Zero, the process of rebuiling his Zanpakutou begins.
> Turns out, to get a Zanpakutou, you have to be dead in the soul society. The whole point is, everyone has an inner "hollow", or power. They are given a blank sword which has soul power absorbing properties.
> This sword is an Asauchi, and by training with said Asauchi, it becomes the embodiment of your soul's power. This is similar to a few things.
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..........a) Hollows are when that inner power comes out, they're super mad at something in the real world, so it devours them.
..........b ) Arrancar are capable of taking that power, and making it into tools for themselves (swords, armor, etc.)
..........c) Fullbringers have a watered down version, since they are human, they do not fufill the requirements to acquire a zanpaktou. [ be dead ], so, instead, they take those powers and manifest those into an object. (Ginjos necklace, Giriko's stop watch.)
..........d) Quincies are humans who are capable of turning this inner power into tools themselves, I saw this in the manga but citation is needed.
..........e) And finally, Shinigami are given a sword, they use their power and eventually molds it into the Asauchi.

..........>Ichigo, did not fill requirements. Instead, here's what happened to him.
..........> Rukia's powers were given to him, normally this would NOT work. why did it work? Because of Juha Bach. He materialized it into a tool. [Very first Zanpakutou]
..........> Those got taken, so instead, he trained to acquire his shinigami powers from dad through the shattered staff. (the portion that Juha could not suppress)
..........> The Quincy [ Juha ] within is working very hard to turn those Shinigami powers into a tool, the sword Ichigo wields for the majority of the series [which is actually simply the chanellization of a hollow into a tool. ] The first leak of Shirou came out with it. this again, was on episode 19.
..........> This worked for a while, with the mastery of his Hollow mask as well, he had a great set of abilities for eventually defeating Aizen after acquiring Final Getsuga from his inner abilities.
..........> HOWEVER, he lost his ability to control reishi. The only way to get to shingami form/get his powers is to become spirit form, and he couldn't do that. He couldn't reach that beauty sword of his, so what'd he do instead?
..........> Become a fullbringer, instead of being a spirit, he remained human, and channelled his Shinigami powers into an object instead. [ the Substitute Shinigami Badge. ]
..........> Got stolen by skumbag Ginjo.
..........> SS comes, and gives Ichigo his current powers.
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Cont.

> Now, the powers he just got were broken, he is powerless until he can channel his shinigami powers into a source.
> WE JUST GOT KUBO'D!?!?!??!1
> In the latest chapter, JUHA BACH (QUINCY POWERS) Leaves! He gives the full power of his father over to him! He will use this, and create a brand new Zanpakutou, with new abilities!
> This is because he now has a proper Shinigami sword ( Asauchi ) instead of his inner quincy forging the tools he's used.
> Therefore, finally, Ichigo will soon be able to wield
1) His Hollow Mask
2) The Quincy Blood and
3) The true Zangetsu, the complete imprint of his father's abilities.

HOWEVER , This must be noted as well.

While in Final Getsuga Transformation stage, Ichigo's opponent was the merger of TensaZangetsu and Shirou
He's also used abilities such as the black getsuga tenshou, which is an ability from his Hollow form.
This means, that while his Shinigami powers were helping him, the QuincyBlood within also materialized his inner hollow into abilites and power for ichigo (That's why Tensa Zangetsu and Shirou Ichigo within the inner realm are the same person)

This post was edited by Fuyuumi on Jun 13 2013 05:25pm

What I don't get...is when Ichigo was in that bandage form (forgot what chapter of the manga, but basically he had one shot against Aizen), I thought he would no longer be able to manifest his powers. I understand the fullbringer part...but how is he still able to use his shinigami shit?

@Fuyuumi

That is pretty close to what happened. Take out the anime stuff since the anime sucks compared to the manga.



True, but half the time it's true so.



He was stabbed in the heart by Rukia regaining his powers.



Not true. Look at his Final Gestu Tensho. And how he lost his powers and how he regained them then go look at Ishida's power and how he lost and regained his. Both lost and regained the same way.

Then jump to Ishida's dad's conversation with Ishida and how he tells him the only way a qunicy can regain there powers is by getting stabbed in the heart.

This post was edited by Austin on Jun 13 2013 06:34pm

Hrm in both cases neither was stabbed in the heart, ichigo was his sternum and urahara was 19cms or something to the left or right of his heart(which could be his sternum too). Yes because it was urahara who devised the way to return a shingami's power its possible that he learned it from copying someone else.

Now i dunno if its cause ichigo had/has such ridiculous spiritual pressure that it required all of them people to give it(the commander and zaraki gave some so it seems pretty far fetched) but in ishidas case it was 1 arrow from his dad.

Now its a matter of if quincies from the previous generations can or do give their powers to the newer generation(like noblesses for example). hence why the grandfather of uyruu died to some hollows he had already given his powers to ryuuken.

either way what you said was just speculation. Ichigo loss his powers due to his fathers technique whereas ishida loss his due to a piece of equipment made by quincies. the dad didnt mention that urahara aka copy ninja kakashi had anything to do with final so its safe to assume its a shinigami or zanpakto exclusive to just the 2.

Ishida lost his powers due to his grandfathers glove technique which was an outdated method to unleash the qunicies Final Form like Opie told Ichigo when they faught. Ichigo lost his powers the same way unleashing his Final Form. "Zangestu" was Juha Bach the whole time and Ichigo learned this "Final Gestu Tensho" from him, thus he was able to master his Qunicy final form. But as seen since Ichigo has Shingami and Hollow powers inside him it looked a lot different compared to Opie's or Ishida's. In both cases they regained there powers by getting stabbed in the heart/near the heart. Ichigo getting stabbed by Rukia using a Qunicy blade. A blade full of reishi from each of the captains and vice captains. And how Ishida regained his was by a Qunicy arrow his father shot into him full of his reishi. Both allowing them to regain there qunicy powers and in Ichigo's case his Shingami powers due to the Shingami reishi in the sword.

This is not a speculation this is what actually happened in the story. And with this latest chapter explaining about Juha Bach being Zangestu it makes it clear for the reader.

However I know more then half the people who read this will look the other way and think it's not true beacuse it wasn't explained in plan sight. However just like almost 80% of this manga u have to understand whats going on urself. The only time it will explain something is if a flashback is needed or if something like "Zangestu" was Juha Bach from the begining.

so this whole time ichigo barely used any soul reaper powers all just hollow and quincy


was gunna say more but everything has been said so im just gunna sit here and not type what everyone already has lol

Hrm you do know it was a shinigami who taught him this final form right? It wasnt urahara like i said so until they mention urahara or the dad developed the technique from the quincies technique i dunno broski! speculation The dad lost his powers and really would have no reason to develop the technique. also its speculation that the dad knows the final form too isnt it? you were quite adamant iirc that the dads lost his powers from the final form right?

I do believe the jailer guy used just an upgraded glove that allowed him to keep his powers after activating it but either way its just a piece of equipment where as the final form for ichigo is an actual technique. The glove is actually never meant to be taken off iirc

yes yes it is speculation ichigo probably could have been stabbed in his arm pretty sure its really of no consequence where he was stabbed yet it was explicitly stated by ryuuken where uyruu had to be "SHOT" AFTER being pushed to his physical(maybe mental) limits too.

if the manga is left up to the readers INTERPRETATION then yeah you just said it in a different way that its speculation

This post was edited by Charity on Jun 14 2013 02:36am

Dang. When you think you know a guy they turn out to be the evil monster that killed your mom

The person inside Ichigo's inner world was Zangetsu, except the powers themselves that he used (Getsuga Tenshou, Final Getsuga Tenshou) Was simply powers that Juha Bach couldn't suppress.
He says that himself in the latest chapter.

Also, Ichigo's father's sword ability was Enngetsu, and he was the one who taught ichigo how to use the Final Getsuga Tenshou, the ability that branched out from his regular getsuga tenshou, an ability that Ichigo's dad himself could use.