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Jan 31 2013 09:35pm
Quote (Charity @ 31 Jan 2013 23:19)
ugh anime adds parts to the fight .... so yeah nty 14minutes 10 seconds technically though

and again yes ichigo had the upperhand this time they fought however aizen was still the stronger one and was temporarily defeated thx to uraharas seal

did ichigo hand aizen his ass during the fight yes did aizen lose to ichigo? NO


He was temporarily defeated by Ichigo and permanently sealed by Urahara. Pull your head out of your ass.

Why exactly didn't Aizen lose to Ichigo? Because if not for Urahara Aizen would've killed Ichigo? Wrong. You're assuming that had Urahara's seal not worked on Aizen, he could've killed Ichigo. Maybe, maybe not. You don't know that for sure because it didn't happen. For all you know he could've been consumed by the Hougyoku itself, leaving Ichigo the victor. The possibilities for a scene involving Ichigo's ultimate victory are endless.
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Jan 31 2013 09:40pm
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He was temporarily defeated by Ichigo and permanently sealed by Urahara. Pull your head out of your ass.

Why exactly didn't Aizen lose to Ichigo? Because if not for Urahara Aizen would've killed Ichigo? Wrong. You're assuming that had Urahara's seal not worked on Aizen, he could've killed Ichigo. Maybe, maybe not. You don't know that for sure because it didn't happen. For all you know he could've been consumed by the Hougyoku itself, leaving Ichigo the victor. The possibilities for a scene involving Ichigo's ultimate victory are endless.


aizen can still use some of his power even while sealed with only his eye revealed..

he wasnt defeated by ichigo.... are you guys seriously not counting endurance/stamina as a skill? rocky did it vs that big russian or german dude and won cause he outlasted the dude who CLEARLY CLEARLY was more powerful than rocky in the BEGINNING but not the end . ICHIGO almost immediately lost a great GREAT portion of his power after using the final technique that did nothing more than allow uraharas secret seal to do what it did.

aizen was down after the last attack ichigo said still regenerating and said shit im losing my powers aizen stood up roaring to fight... then was sealed how the hell IS THAT DEFEAT? he was sealed aka temporarily stopped iMO shouldnt really call it a defeat by urahara but meh

the panel even shows ichigo on his knees or knee and aizen standing proclaiming victory come on folks

ichigo himself after the fight even states he acquired the powers to fight aizen equally(sorta doesnt make sense saying aizen was looking for an equal when he clearly stated the commander bested him, guess he really wanted an equal and not 1 bit more or less). also ichigo was saying aizen was exactly like stark basically weird

ichigo then fell out after greeting his friends.. aizen was beign sentence and still in good spirits

This post was edited by Charity on Jan 31 2013 09:49pm
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Jan 31 2013 11:04pm
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aizen can still use some of his power even while sealed with only his eye revealed..

he wasnt defeated by ichigo.... are you guys seriously not counting endurance/stamina as a skill? rocky did it vs that big russian or german dude and won cause he outlasted the dude who CLEARLY CLEARLY was more powerful than rocky in the BEGINNING but not the end . ICHIGO almost immediately lost a great GREAT portion of his power after using the final technique that did nothing more than allow uraharas secret seal to do what it did.

aizen was down after the last attack ichigo said still regenerating and said shit im losing my powers aizen stood up roaring to fight... then was sealed how the hell IS THAT DEFEAT? he was sealed aka temporarily stopped iMO shouldnt really call it a defeat by urahara but meh

the panel even shows ichigo on his knees or knee and aizen standing proclaiming victory come on folks

ichigo himself after the fight even states he acquired the powers to fight aizen equally(sorta doesnt make sense saying aizen was looking for an equal when he clearly stated the commander bested him, guess he really wanted an equal and not 1 bit more or less). also ichigo was saying aizen was exactly like stark basically weird

ichigo then fell out after greeting his friends.. aizen was beign sentence and still in good spirits



Here's what you're missing - the hyogkyu abandoned Aizen because Ichigo was stronger, which allowed Uruhara to seal it.
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Jan 31 2013 11:07pm
Quote (Charity @ Jan 31 2013 07:40pm)
aizen can still use some of his power even while sealed with only his eye revealed..

he wasnt defeated by ichigo.... are you guys seriously not counting endurance/stamina as a skill? rocky did it vs that big russian or german dude and won cause he outlasted the dude who CLEARLY CLEARLY was more powerful than rocky in the BEGINNING but not the end . ICHIGO almost immediately lost a great GREAT portion of his power after using the final technique that did nothing more than allow uraharas secret seal to do what it did.

aizen was down after the last attack ichigo said still regenerating and said shit im losing my powers aizen stood up roaring to fight... then was sealed how the hell IS THAT DEFEAT? he was sealed aka temporarily stopped iMO shouldnt really call it a defeat by urahara but meh

the panel even shows ichigo on his knees or knee and aizen standing proclaiming victory come on folks

ichigo himself after the fight even states he acquired the powers to fight aizen equally(sorta doesnt make sense saying aizen was looking for an equal when he clearly stated the commander bested him, guess he really wanted an equal and not 1 bit more or less). also ichigo was saying aizen was exactly like stark basically weird

ichigo then fell out after greeting his friends.. aizen was beign sentence and still in good spirits


Sorry bro, but the others are right. Ichigo MOPPED THE FLOOR WITH AIZEN.
The only time he was ever stronger was before ichigo completely understood his sword,

if your talking about mini petty details about how Aizen COULD have won. then this is why he lost, he was COCKY and he got his head shoved up his ass because he thought that the hogyoku would give him more power. Not only that the hogyoku REJECTED Aizen, i mean seriously how can you stick up for this guy after his godlike source of power quits on him

Aizen is strong, no doubt top 5 in the anime, but he's cocky. He thought no one could surpass him and when Ichigo did, he stood as a superior, to the point where Ichigo was so strong that Aizen couldn't even recognize his power. Now that is some overpowered shit.

You said the Ichigo would have lost if Urahara didnt seal Aizen right? You forget about the man's Quincy powers, you also seem to forget about his HOLLOW powers. no way in this world would Ichigo lose that fight. The man above you is correct, there is a PLETHORA of ways that Ichigo could have bested Aizen, it just ends up Aizen wasn't all hes cracked up to be.

To be honest i think Aizen isn't that great, his Shikai is fucking over powered, but thats it. He's not the best fighter.. Ichigo and Captain commander prove that. He's not the smartest man, Kisuke has proven that. He's strong and definitely a key part of the anime, but he's over rated, if he didn't have his shikai the man wouldn't be worth shit...

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Jan 31 2013 11:08pm
Quote (Charity @ Jan 31 2013 09:40pm)
aizen can still use some of his power even while sealed with only his eye revealed..

he wasnt defeated by ichigo.... are you guys seriously not counting endurance/stamina as a skill? rocky did it vs that big russian or german dude and won cause he outlasted the dude who CLEARLY CLEARLY was more powerful than rocky in the BEGINNING but not the end . ICHIGO almost immediately lost a great GREAT portion of his power after using the final technique that did nothing more than allow uraharas secret seal to do what it did.

aizen was down after the last attack ichigo said still regenerating and said shit im losing my powers aizen stood up roaring to fight... then was sealed how the hell IS THAT DEFEAT? he was sealed aka temporarily stopped iMO shouldnt really call it a defeat by urahara but meh

the panel even shows ichigo on his knees or knee and aizen standing proclaiming victory come on folks

ichigo himself after the fight even states he acquired the powers to fight aizen equally(sorta doesnt make sense saying aizen was looking for an equal when he clearly stated the commander bested him, guess he really wanted an equal and not 1 bit more or less). also ichigo was saying aizen was exactly like stark basically weird

ichigo then fell out after greeting his friends.. aizen was beign sentence and still in good spirits


Loss is a loss. If the houkyoku stopped working for him that means his weapon broke. It's the same as if a sword were to be destroyed.
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Jan 31 2013 11:44pm
first rejected or not rejected he was still granted near immortality or immortality, pretty sure that is from the gem which he still has embedded within himself. the fact that urahara didnt remove it or even tried to shows that

ICHIGO used everything he had and aizen regenerated and ichigo fell to his knees while aizen was proclaiming victory THEN uraharas seal sealed aizen.

how does the rocky analogy not do it for you guys. ichigo won rounds 1-11 and was ko'd in round 12 due to exhaustion or w/e it was that mkaes final remove their shinigami powers.

MY point the fight didnt end with ichigo using his final attack it ended with aizen standing and shouting for victory and ichigo kneeling before aizen.

losing during a fight doesnt mean shit ichigo and aizen fight never had a conclusion aizen and uraharas did its that simple. and yes i can definitely argue aizen would have won due to him being more powerful the only thing i could think of is ichigos latent quincy powers which he doesnt know how to use :P prolonging the inevitable

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Feb 1 2013 02:24am
Quote (Charity @ Jan 31 2013 09:44pm)
first rejected or not rejected he was still granted near immortality or immortality, pretty sure that is from the gem which he still has embedded within himself. the fact that urahara didnt remove it or even tried to shows that

ICHIGO used everything he had and aizen regenerated and ichigo fell to his knees while aizen was proclaiming victory THEN uraharas seal sealed aizen.

how does the rocky analogy not do it for you guys. ichigo won rounds 1-11  and was ko'd in round 12 due to exhaustion or w/e it was that mkaes final remove their shinigami powers.

MY point the fight didnt end with ichigo using his final attack it ended with aizen standing and shouting for victory and ichigo kneeling before aizen.

losing during a fight doesnt mean shit ichigo and aizen fight never had a conclusion aizen and uraharas did its that simple. and yes i can definitely argue aizen would have won due to him being more powerful the only thing i could think of is ichigos latent quincy powers which he doesnt know how to use :P prolonging the inevitable


Ichigo was Ko'd? What were you watching? In the end, the objective of the fight wasn't to kill Aizen(since it really wasn't possible), but make him weak enough so that the "gem" would reject him which it did, so that Urahara's seal would be activated. Ichigo won the fight, he completed the main objective. Even Urahara mentioned that.

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Ichigo was Ko'd? What were you watching? In the end, the objective of the fight wasn't to kill Aizen(since it really wasn't possible), but make him weak enough so that the "gem" would reject him which it did, so that Urahara's seal would be activated. Ichigo won the fight, he completed the main objective. Even Urahara mentioned that.


i was watching where aizen regenerated in a matter of seconds which they call instant basically. and ichigo falling to his knees saying "my shinigami powers" then continued reading aizen talking and ichigo still on the ground.

Im sorry im not convinced anyone but urahara knew about his seal maybe the kidou corps captain who may have helped him develop such a thing but ichigo was doing what he normally did was take someone down with force which didnt work cause aizen was flat out a beast.

so yes the objective for urahara as he said was to seal aizen and not beat him cause he knew of his immortality due to the fusion. yes again it was probably in his plan to use ichigo to try and wrestle with the will of the gem either way ichigos objective and uraharas were totally different and the manga doesnt state otherwise
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Feb 1 2013 12:47pm
Ichigo didn't know about Urahara's plan and would of lost the fight If it were not for Urahara. I seriously don't get how you guys don't understand this... -_-

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Feb 1 2013 01:33pm
Quote (Charity @ 1 Feb 2013 06:31)
i was watching where aizen regenerated in a matter of seconds which they call instant basically. and ichigo falling to his knees saying "my shinigami powers" then continued reading aizen talking and ichigo still on the ground.

Im sorry im not convinced anyone but urahara knew about his seal maybe the kidou corps captain who may have helped him develop such a thing but ichigo was doing what he normally did was take someone down with force which didnt work cause aizen was flat out a beast.

so yes the objective for urahara as he said was to seal aizen and not beat him cause he knew of his immortality due to the fusion. yes again it was probably in his plan to use ichigo to try and wrestle with the will of the gem either way ichigos objective and uraharas were totally different and the manga doesnt state otherwise


ichigo did not defeat aizen(ive agreed to this) but he was stronger than him
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