we actually dont know if the juhabach that kenpachi fought was the same one that CC fought, we just assume that. I think zaraki fought the real juha bach, because i doubt he would let his lackie's test out one of his special war potentials.

well unohana didnt step in to fight ANY battles, we cant simply assume she is stronger then aizen, cause she never even fought aizen.
as for the captain commander thing, i guess your right about taking his power and redirecting it, but honestly. after he lost his bankai he just got WRECKED. like not even a close fight. he slammed almost everoyne with just his shikai, and all of a sudden the second he cant bankai he gets sliced? i call bullshit. When juhabach took his bankai it should have been weaker, not only that the bankai he stole was drained of a lot of power because it had already been used earlier. even against his own bankai he shouldn't have got smashed that hard and fast.

idk his bankai looked pretty damn powerful

I don't like how mangastream makes Unohana sound so vulgar.

so zaraki named yachiru after unohana?

hrm....so they swapped right after juha bach beat him and just to fool the commander the fake juha bach had zaraki by the neck? nah not even going to buy into that cause lets just say that is true...whats the point? why use the fake to battle the commander but not zaraki...its not like the fake was any kinds of weak

its an assumption of course we can assume anything....aizen showed no signs nothing not a weird look mention nothing about fearing unohana in anyway yet he mentioned kisuke being smarter and commander being stronger.

the commander fought used his bankai in its entirety had it taken away and was slashed by juha bachs sword(we dont know if it was infused with the commanders bankai or not) so yeah i can see this guy who potentially evaded the commander 1000years ago being strong enough to slash him down.

again about this kenpachi thing ofc it could have been watered down with the 11 or 12 generations and infact did mean that unohana was unquestioned as the strongest shinigami...however with the current and previous kenpachis we clearly see they arent anywhere near the strongest shinigami

this is true



hmm agreed in just about everything you said. I think the real question here is who are still part of the original 13 divisions.
captain commander
Unohana
Zaraki (assuming of course)
Shunsui and ukitake (probably very young also assuming)
Ichigo's dad maybe..

i don't think i missed any possibilities here. Maybe juha bach but i doubt it. Yoruichi seems alittle bit to young, same with kisuke
obviously the 5 zero division captains are possibilities..
thats about 11.. assuming im completely correct. which i don't think i am.

It's the closest to the true translation, thats the only reason I use that one.



Yes.



They all died throughout the years expect for the most powerful 2; Yamamoto and Unohana.

Byakuya dad also if you want to count him, but it's not yet confirmed, it said the Kuchiki family has always been in the gotei 13 since the creation of it.

There was 4 noble clans, Kuchiki, Shihouin, Shiba, one unknown one. All 4 of these familys have/did/are in the gotei 13 and may of even started it. Otherwise how else would there family be noble? You need power/money/strength/etc. to be noble so this could mean all 4 family helped create the gotei 13 with Yamamoto.

Shunsui, Ukitake, Zarakai, Yamamoto's vice captain, etc. Were all young or kids at the time so they weren't apart of the orginal gotei 13, they just helped make it what it is now, but were not the first captains to start it.

This post was edited by Austin on Jan 16 2013 11:17pm

i'm pretty sure shiba isn't a noble clan anymore... so there's 2 unknown clans.

and i don't think they helped to create the gotei 13, otherwise unohana would be apart of it... like how there are ranks among our social classes, there are social ranks in soul society.

This post was edited by Cyba on Jan 17 2013 06:29am

I doubt "verbal diarrhea" was the right way to go since it usually means talking bullshit, and Zaraki was hardly talking about bullshit.
Even if manga panda isn't always accurate going with "you're talkative today" was better.

It was one, so there is only 1 left that is unknown.



That part was bad butthe rest of it went together a lot better the panda's or any others.