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Dec 1 2012 04:38pm
Quote (TritonV8 @ Dec 1 2012 02:14pm)
Ichigo's sword was always in Shikai form before he learn Zangetsu's name


No it wasn't. How do you guys come up with this bullshit?
Kenpachi doesn't use shikai, he can't. That's why his sword looks like a NORMAL zanpakuto.
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No it wasn't. How do you guys come up with this bullshit?
Kenpachi doesn't use shikai, he can't. That's why his sword looks like a NORMAL zanpakuto.


why was Ichigo's sword so big and bulky without him knowing anything about it? That's because his sword was already and always remained in shikai. I'm not an avid bleach fan, but I DO remember this being stated somewhere in the series (in the Soul Society Arc I believe).
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why was Ichigo's sword so big and bulky without him knowing anything about it? That's because his sword was already and always remained in shikai. I'm not an avid bleach fan, but I DO remember this being stated somewhere in the series (in the Soul Society Arc I believe).


lol, a persons unreleased zanpaktou can be different in size, his was huge because of his high reiatsu and the fact he LEAKS reiatsu. zero control

you're talking absolute bullshit lol
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Dec 1 2012 05:38pm
ichigo's shikai is the blade with no hilt

kenpachis zanpakuto is always in shikai state its been stated in soul society arc'

also when ichigo said arent you going to release his zanpakuto he said his is always released
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ichigo's shikai is the blade with no hilt

kenpachis zanpakuto is always in shikai state its been stated in soul society arc'

also when ichigo said arent you going to release his zanpakuto he said his is always released


I think yachiru (pink hair) is his zanpaktou :D

e/ this fulfills the "must know zanpaktou name" bit

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I think yachiru (pink hair) is his zanpaktou :D

e/ this fulfills the "must know zanpaktou name" bit


so your saying the zanpakuto has taken a physical form?

what im still amazed is kenpachi dosent draw any power from his zanpakuto its just him or its something like that i dont remember
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Quote (OsD @ Dec 1 2012 02:11pm)
hmm i just did some research, i guess his sword is in shikai form, he just doesnt know its name
no wait, that doesn't make sense, to activate shikai don't you need to know its name? because most zanpakto are normal swords until they change into their shikai form (by saying its name)


Nope, Ichigo never knew his sword a name until after he got shikai, and if I remember right, it mid way in the battle with Kenpachi.

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No it wasn't. How do you guys come up with this bullshit?
Kenpachi doesn't use shikai, he can't. That's why his sword looks like a NORMAL zanpakuto.


Uhm I really, really hope your joking. -_-

Yoruichi tells Ichigo about how Kenpachi's the only captain who can't perform a bankai and is stuck a shikai state like Ichigo ( durning that time).

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lol, a persons unreleased zanpaktou can be different in size, his was huge because of his high reiatsu and the fact he LEAKS reiatsu. zero control

you're talking absolute bullshit lol


Thats why he has the eye patch, to control the release of it. Other wise the sword becomes to sharp and cuts everything. Kenpachi likes to enjoy his fights thats why he covered that and put bells in his hair. So the emeny he fights as an advantage against him.

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I think yachiru (pink hair) is his zanpaktou :D

e/ this fulfills the "must know zanpaktou name" bit


:rofl: Would be funny if he trolled us and made it like that. But no, she's just a normal person.

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so your saying the zanpakuto has taken a physical form?

what im still amazed is kenpachi dosent draw any power from his zanpakuto its just him or its something like that i dont remember


He doesn't know how to control his Shikai, and doesn't know his swords name to figure out how to control it. So he justs uses his strength and uses it like a basic sword.

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Anyone else got this feeling that the spirit king is going to be a bad guy?

I bet he will use Rukia, Renji, Byakuya and force Ichigo to do something he doesn't want to. There all 3 close friends of his, they have no reason to be healed or to go to the palace. If they were going to heal why not bring like kenpachi, Kira,  Shunsui or some of the soliders who are fucked up or hurt?


Urahara hates him
Isshin hates him
Aizen hates him

And the gotei 13 doesn't like the zero squad. The members that do know them also seem to dislike them. They all seem like a bunch of punk people (like how head capatain use to be in the old days before he was head captain and just had a gang of warriors).

I got a feeling Grimjow and Aizen, and the fullbringers will true into ankama and help everyone out.

If anything the bad guys at the moment are:

Qunicies (Side antagonist)
Zero Devision (Protecting the spirit king once he turns bad, and Ichigo has to fight them)
Spirit King (The strongest person in the world is always a bad guy in ALMOST EVERY MANGA so he will decisive everyone)


Urahara made the hougyoku after meeting the spirit king, maybe he created it to try and kill off the spirit king since he was a bad guy the whole time. (Urahara would of wanted to kill him off)
Same goes towards Aizen, he made his hougyoku  to try and stop the spirit king also, but the gotei 13 and Ichigo stopped him since none of them have met the spirit king before.

And they didn't kill Aizen since Urahara doesn't want Aizen to kill off the spirit king. He wants to have the chance to kill him, himself.
Maybe he wants to work with Aizen in killing him, just Aizen was doing it the wrong way??

Also a reason why he's "hidden" in earth.


This theory all depends on next chapter.. ^_^


since you offered :P can you please say where it is isshin and urahara mention dislike for the soul king.

I do recall urahara basically calling him the lynch pin but of course that doesnt say he likes him just that he is necessary which can be a necessary evil ofc. the hogkuyi could have been made to create a new lynch pin and urahrara just thought aizen wasnt fit to be it.

hrm i am pretty sure aizen creation of his own hogyuki(terrible spelling lol) was for selfish reasons and what we currently know at this point aizen didnt have ulterior motives outside of wanting to be the one to stand on top.

Why go about it in such a round about way to kill ichigo and why take capable hostages and ones who would most likely sacrifice themselves to not be a burden to ichigo.

The fullbringers and whoever it is in hueco mundo are a given on helping during this war with the quincies. aizen on the other hand i do believe is still looking out for number one(himself)

Quote (Austin @ Dec 1 2012 04:26pm)
Probably at Kenpachi's side atm
She doesn't have one. ;) She doesn't even have a shikai ;)


I am almost certain she has ridiculous reiatsu(may have been the anime adding to make up the length of the episode though), strength(lifts kenpachi after the ichigo fight and jumps really damn high), speed too i think she ran without flash step pretty damn fast quite a distance. I would also assume unlike shunsui's liet who the commander made unable to breathe with the liet being so close to kenpachis ridiculous reiatsu she would have been fine.

kenpachi's sword regarding shikai lol there are topics on some forums just about this. Some go by the databook saying its always in shikai some take the approach that to even get shikai you have to communicate with your sword(which he clearly never does except after the lost). some use the actual manga to refute it further by kenpachi saying that his sword is always "released" or that its his swords "true form". ichigo while training with yourichi to achieve bankai i believe...yourichi says something like "if you havent noticed your sword is always released" and ichigo says "Oh like kenpachi's" and yourichi doesnt confirm or deny.
Can take it further and say its not even a zanpukto and just a regular sword lol but yeah he doesnt get anything from his shikai and is truly just fighting with a sword and reiatsu.


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Nope, Ichigo never knew his sword a name until after he got shikai, and if I remember right, it mid way in the battle with Kenpachi.



Uhm I really, really hope your joking. -_-

Yoruichi tells Ichigo about how Kenpachi's the only captain who can't perform a bankai and is stuck a shikai state like Ichigo ( durning that time).



Thats why he has the eye patch, to control the release of it. Other wise the sword becomes to sharp and cuts everything. Kenpachi likes to enjoy his fights thats why he covered that and put bells in his hair. So the emeny he fights as an advantage against him.



:rofl: Would be funny if he trolled us and made it like that. But no, she's just a normal person.



He doesn't know how to control his Shikai, and doesn't know his swords name to figure out how to control it. So he justs uses his strength and uses it like a basic sword.


Actually Ichi learned the name of his zanpakutou during his training with Urahara, right after he got out of the hole.

To be more specific Yoruichi said that Zaraki is the only captain who doesn't know how to use bankai and doesn't even know the name of his sword, however his sword is in it's released form all the time. :p

Quote (TritonV8 @ 1 Dec 2012 19:03)
why was Ichigo's sword so big and bulky without him knowing anything about it? That's because his sword was already and always remained in shikai. I'm not an avid bleach fan, but I DO remember this being stated somewhere in the series (in the Soul Society Arc I believe).


NO. Ichigo's sword was simply big because he was unable to control his own reiatsu. Ichigo's father said that if captains would not control their reiatsu they'd be fightning with zanpakutous the size of skyscrapers.
Ichigo achieved shikai after the hole, after learning the name of his zanpakutou.

This post was edited by Vicc on Dec 1 2012 06:31pm
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Dec 1 2012 06:29pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8LNBdEqIjA

When ichigo first released his shikai, didn't tessai say something like "it can't be, that sword is..." and it cuts off so i'm wondering what he meant by that..

I can only guess that his sword resembled to a once powerful zanpakuto

This post was edited by QQL on Dec 1 2012 06:43pm
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