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Dec 6 2013 06:47am
Quote (Vocaloid @ 6 Dec 2013 14:39)
incorrect again.

logic and physics are simply  tools we have at are disposal to make assertions about the physical world.

if you want to assert something they work a lot better then faith or imagination.

and again if I said yes you would have no way to disprove me.

you argue for the impossible or the unknowable.


I actually agree with the idea of Malidry. Human body may or may not possess unlimited potential. But there is no way to know what it is or does until we learn to use our minds to full potential. Considering how human body works and saves energy to keep working, take it like the brain is a processor in computer, it is unlikely that it could provide enough energy to achieve fully functioning mind. Either brain would throttle or body would crash. Maybe in next million or two years the evolution will make sure the body can power our minds to accomplish full usage.

About if human could or could not fly, it is not determined exactly by physics or logic. Our science isn't capable of deciding that. We can say human could not fly RIGHT NOW but nothing could be said about future. We don't even know if humankind will exist long enough to find answers. Or if they even exist.
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Quote (Malidry @ Dec 6 2013 04:44am)
you argue that the impossible and unknowable don't exist

which means that you literally know everything


incorrect again.

I may know what is possible given the laws of physics within our universe

however I do not know your name.

Quote (LindeRKV @ Dec 6 2013 04:47am)
I actually agree with the idea of Malidry. Human body may or may not possess unlimited potential. But there is no way to know what it is or does until we learn to use our minds to full potential. Considering how human body works and saves energy to keep working, take it like the brain is a processor in computer, it is unlikely that it could provide enough energy to achieve fully functioning mind. Either brain would throttle or body would crash. Maybe in next million or two years the evolution will make sure the body can power our minds to accomplish full usage.

About if human could or could not fly, it is not determined exactly by physics or logic. Our science isn't capable of deciding that. We can say human could not fly RIGHT NOW but nothing could be said about future. We don't even know if humankind will exist long enough to find answers. Or if they even exist.


right on.

however the statement "nothing could be said about the future" is a bit flawed

This post was edited by Vocaloid on Dec 6 2013 06:51am
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Quote (LindeRKV @ Dec 6 2013 06:47am)
I actually agree with the idea of Malidry. Human body may or may not possess unlimited potential. But there is no way to know what it is or does until we learn to use our minds to full potential. Considering how human body works and saves energy to keep working, take it like the brain is a processor in computer, it is unlikely that it could provide enough energy to achieve fully functioning mind. Either brain would throttle or body would crash. Maybe in next million or two years the evolution will make sure the body can power our minds to accomplish full usage.

About if human could or could not fly, it is not determined exactly by physics or logic. Our science isn't capable of deciding that. We can say human could not fly RIGHT NOW but nothing could be said about future. We don't even know if humankind will exist long enough to find answers. Or if they even exist.


Now, if we were approached in this manner we would have been more accepting. There was literally no "unseen" or "supernatural" shit in this post. Well, I'm off.
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Quote (Vocaloid @ 6 Dec 2013 14:48)
incorrect again.

I may know what is possible given the laws of physics within our universe

however I do not know your name.


Laws of physics that are known to us, does not determine the laws of physic in whole Universe. Many laws of physics have been put under question even in our known environment. So, while time goes on and we learn new things about the space we exist in, the knowledge may and will change about it. We just haven't existed long enough to know it yet.

Quote (Vocaloid @ 6 Dec 2013 14:48)
however the statement "nothing could be said about the future" is a bit flawed


We can only speculate. We do not know what we will learn as time goes on. People 10 000 years ago could not have known what we have right now. As we cannot know what we will have 10 000 years after our time.

The knowledge of mankind is quite questionable - it is only worth something for us because we want to believe something we know is right.

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Laws of physics that are known to us, does not determine the laws of physic in whole Universe. Many laws of physics have been put under question even in our known environment. So, while time goes on and we learn new things about the space we exist in, the knowledge may and will change about it. We just haven't existed long enough to know it yet.


this is all great, but it is the same as me telling you there is a walruss under the surface of Pluto that contacts me every day at midnight and tells me to invest in gold.
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Dec 6 2013 06:56am
Quote (Vocaloid @ 6 Dec 2013 06:48)
incorrect again.

I may know what is possible given the laws of physics within our universe

however I do not know your name.



right on.

however the statement "nothing could be said about the future" is a bit flawed


how do you know that the impossible or unknowable DON'T exist with a certainty. you can really map out how the ENTIRITY universe exists, functions, changes, etc from A to Z?

JUST with physics and logic. just like you said. you are confident that you could explain everything if all of the universes knowledge was in a book somewhere with only physics and logic contained within.

you are a fucking moron.

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Dec 6 2013 06:57am
Quote (Vocaloid @ 6 Dec 2013 14:54)
this is all great, but it is the same as me telling you  there is a walruss under the surface of Pluto that contacts me every day at midnight and tells me to invest in gold.


If you believe it then it is your freedom to do so. I can question it or believe it. Only questioning previous rules and knowledge have brought us to being able to consume new knowledge. While our mind is evolving to understand the environment, we are nowhere near to actually knowing anything to be absolute truth.
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Dec 6 2013 06:58am
Quote (Malidry @ Dec 6 2013 04:56am)
how do you know that the impossible or unknowable DON'T exist with a certainty. you can really map out how the ENTIRITY universe exists, functions, changes, etc from A to Z?

JUST with physics and logic. just like you said. you are confident that you could explain everything if all of the universes knowledge was in a book somewhere with only physics and logic contained within.

you are a fucking moron.


incorrect again, the only thing I need to explain is humans can not fly.
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Dec 6 2013 07:00am
Quote (LindeRKV @ Dec 6 2013 04:57am)
If you believe it then it is your freedom to do so. I can question it or believe it. Only questioning previous rules and knowledge have brought us to being able to consume new knowledge. While our mind is evolving to understand the environment, we are nowhere near to actually knowing anything to be absolute truth.


sure we are, we can assert many things to be absolute truth. the square circle is a fine example.

it is absolute truth there is no such thing as a square circle.

or a bed made of sleep.

or a cat made of the 17th century.

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Quote (Vocaloid @ Dec 6 2013 07:00am)
sure we are, we can assert many things to be absolute truth. the square circle is a fine example.


Though I have no sources there have been plenty of stated facts and laws in what has been believed to be our ultimate understanding of our world that have turned out to be false and had to be rewritten. I do not believe in a specific set of constants. However, I also do not believe in there being far fetched unseen forces either.
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