itachi>orochimaru no sweat
jiraiya = or < orochimaru while trying

so how'd u get jiraiya>itachi

i disagree, sage mode jiraiya> orochi easily

I'm sure this was already discussed in the past
But technically jiraya doesn't > or < kismet and itachi
Itachi said himself that if we fight him then we don't know the out come
Saying that he's not someone to mess with



I dunno might be a different story if ochi wasn't so sickly and weakened

every1 in the old generation is sick or weak

That reminds me
I wonder how strong the elders of each village are

once strong but since they are old powers arent so strong as any other story

Well the only elder we know about is chiyo I guess the other elders aren't important

both orochimaru's arms were sealed, and he could take on jiraiya+tsunade at once...sandaime even said only person in the leaf that could take on orochimaru is the 4th

This post was edited by Cyba on Feb 3 2011 11:23pm

doesn't change the fact that jiraiya wasn't using even a percentage of his full ability

right, and orochimaru was