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Apr 17 2012 08:19pm
I don't really intend to get into a sub vs dub debate, but to answer this question specifically:

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I watch sub and dub, but if it's available in English, I'm probably going to watch it in English, I mean, why wouldn't I watch it in my native language?


There are reasons why watching it in the source language is beneficial.

1. Culture does not translate easily. In a subbed version, you have an English translation in the form of text, and Japanese audio, two languages to work with. In a dubbed version, you have only one language, English audio. Completely eliminating the source language can be harmful to understanding cultural concepts and dialog which does not translate easily. When watching a sub, you have the ability to take English meaning and reinforce it with Japanese meaning. A really common example of this is name suffixes. As long as you know what the suffixes mean, you can get a general understanding of the characters relationship just by the way they call each other. This simply doesn't translate effectively in English. The ability to take a word you read in English and better understand its meaning by comparing it with the source Japanese wording used is simply not possible for dubs.

2. Lip syncing. When translating a dub, the translator is forced to use sub-optimal wording in order to accommodate the lip movements. Anyone who has watched a dual audio anime which uses the English script for subtitles along with Japanese audio knows how awkward this is. Lines constantly feel a bit off and it makes it very hard to watch (this shows the power of point 1 by the way). Now why is this a problem for people who watch with English audio? Because it means you're being told a story using poor rhetoric. That's a big deal for storytelling. Conveying meaning in the way the author intended should be the #1 priority of a translation.

I'm probably beating a dead horse, so I think I'll stop here.

This post was edited by i_r_slayer on Apr 17 2012 08:21pm
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Apr 17 2012 08:23pm
please don't turn this to a dub vs sub topic.
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Apr 17 2012 08:25pm
I'm still surprised that this topic is even open still XD
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Apr 17 2012 09:00pm
Quote (i_r_slayer @ Apr 17 2012 08:19pm)
I don't really intend to get into a sub vs dub debate, but to answer this question specifically:



There are reasons why watching it in the source language is beneficial.

1. Culture does not translate easily. In a subbed version, you have an English translation in the form of text, and Japanese audio, two languages to work with. In a dubbed version, you have only one language, English audio. Completely eliminating the source language can be harmful to understanding cultural concepts and dialog which does not translate easily. When watching a sub, you have the ability to take English meaning and reinforce it with Japanese meaning. A really common example of this is name suffixes. As long as you know what the suffixes mean, you can get a general understanding of the characters  relationship just by the way they call each other. This simply doesn't translate effectively in English. The ability to take a word you read in English and better understand its meaning by comparing it with the source Japanese wording used is simply not possible for dubs.

2. Lip syncing. When translating a dub, the translator is forced to use sub-optimal wording in order to accommodate the lip movements. Anyone who has watched a dual audio anime which uses the English script for subtitles along with Japanese audio knows how awkward this is. Lines constantly feel a bit off and it makes it very hard to watch (this shows the power of point 1 by the way). Now why is this a problem for people who watch with English audio? Because it means you're being told a story using poor rhetoric. That's a big deal for storytelling. Conveying meaning in the way the author intended should be the #1 priority of a translation.

I'm probably beating a dead horse, so I think I'll stop here.


Best post I've seen in a while.
You said it without being a dick, and were very informative.
10/10.

I always watch in English (if avalible), with subtitles on BTW :P
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Apr 18 2012 12:11am
Dubs are fine, if they fit.
Subs are fine most of the time.
Raw Jap is fine, if they don't talk at the speed of light, I don't read so well though. So signs and words I don't always get. But i'm learning.

But I hate bad voice acting. I can't think of any really good examples off hand. As its usually a specific character

also, There are well done dubs, Cowboy bebop comes to mind. I it prefer dubbed actually, the atmo does well with english.

also EVERY ANIME SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST 1 CATGIRL. FACT.

This post was edited by DB_odin on Apr 18 2012 12:13am
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Apr 18 2012 04:21am
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Don't feed the troll.


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Pretty much this.

Kid went into rage mode in the forums when shot down several times. Hence why he turned into a bad troll.


Now I'm confused about who is supposed to be the troll, me or kye7.
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Quote (Rawen @ Apr 18 2012 04:21am)
Now I'm confused about who is supposed to be the troll, me or kye7.


Well, I wasn't (intentionally) trolling, and I don't think you were either.
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