Quote (prslol @ Apr 12 2010 03:04pm)

-Rational Assumption: If a chakra-drained, tired, old ninja could crush his eye in a split-second just with one hand, then a rock that a vigorous jounin couldn't shove away is surely a no-brainer.

cept he didnt do that. he basically self destructed with some jutsu.

and like i said before tobi's body was never said to be entirely crushed. which means zetsu wouldn't have to revive him or completely restore his eye. is it possible that zetsu healed his body? probably he seems to be a strong support type ninja were not sure if hes capable of doing that.

have anything interesting to say or are you just going to babble on about the same bullshit with the maturity level of a 12 year old?

i could rant like a 12 y/o retard too about the other theories.

RATIONALZ AZZUMPTIONZ - MADARA DIED TO DA 1ST HOKAGEZ CANT POSSIBLY BEZ HIM.
RATIONALZ AZZUMPTIONZ - IZUNA HAD BOTH HIS EYEZ RIPPS OUT AND WOULDVE HAD TO RIP MADARAS EYEZ OUT BEFORE HE DIED AND WOULD BE OLD AS DIRTZ NOW

so using RATIONAL AZZUMPTIONSZ ive come to the conclusion that all the theories are wrong and you're all retards.

there is evidence leading tobi to be any of those 3 people and all of them involve far fetched stories get over it. its a manga about ninjas with magical powers...

Quote (XeroOD @ Apr 12 2010 09:38am)

I just got here, and I only read the last 2 pages to see what was being discussed. So, in order to give this topic some progress...

Do you think Kabuto is working on his own to help the Leaf, or trying to help Tobi crush the Leaf?

Quote (XeroOD @ 12 Apr 2010 14:38)

I just got here, and I only read the last 2 pages to see what was being discussed. So, in order to give this topic some progress...

Do you think Kabuto is working on his own to help the Leaf, or trying to help Tobi crush the Leaf?

Quote (Edyrem @ Apr 12 2010 03:12am)

I know for a fact that TR0LL dissed me, and I'm pretty sure you did too.
And don't think that my posts are only directed to you.
You're both also defending a very repetitive and old idea. I'm allowed to discuss with you guys too. Freedom of speech. I wasn't spamming.
And if you dissed me I'm free to diss you back without being the bad guy.

Regarding my "godly point", you should be able to read past posts and actually pay attention to the points I made, but I'll be polite enough to say it AGAIN.

I'll do it in direct, clear points for you to follow and connect the dots more easily.

CAUTION: CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE AHEAD
-Fact: Rock so heavy sitting on obito's right side.
-Fact: Kakashi couldn't even shove it off of obito
-Fact: Obito was bleeding hard from the rock. [Oh wait, didn't TR0LL mention insist that Karin should've been bleeding to death when she was recieving a thin stab? Hmm, entire side of body gashed open... bleeding + crushed right side for Obito, but NOO, TR0LL insists that Obito survived]
-Rational Assumption: That must be some crushing weight on Obito if a ninja who was already jounin couldn't even push it off.

-Fact: Kakashi received Obito's left eye.
-Fact: Obito only has right eye, which is under a heavy stone that kakashi couldn't even push away.
-Fact: Rock was not floating over obito's body.
-Fact: Rock so heavy that a jounin naruto ninja couldn't push would have bone-breaking weight -- Putting it fucking mildly.
-Fact: Eyes are less dense than bones.
-Rational Assumption: Right eye got squashed by X ton rock, leaving him with no eyes left.

Not enough for you? Let's consider this...

-Fact: Danzo used his hand to crush his right sharingan eye just before dying.
-Fact: A ninja can crush his eye in a split-second with one hand.
-Fact: Excruciatingly heavy boulder sitting on skull for a long, long time.
-Rational Assumption: If a chakra-drained, tired, old ninja could crush his eye in a split-second just with one hand, then a rock that a vigorous jounin couldn't shove away is surely a no-brainer.

-Fact: Tobi, who had all of Zetzu's skill at his disposal, couldn't do anything to fix the crushed eye.
-Rational Assumption: There's no way Zetzu could've brought obito back to life, or restore his right eye, if he couldn't help Tobi with danzo's eye.

IF THE RATIONAL ASSUMPTIONS ARE INDEED TRUE, THEN:

• The boulder crushed Obito's last eye, rendering it crushed beyond repair.
  
• Tobi's sharingan ability is not Obito's sharingan ability since he does not have Obito's sharingan.
  
• Tobi is not Obitobecause Obito died in the final earthquake finisher.

Now, just one more thing to ask y'all...
WHO DA MAN!?? WHO!! DA!!! MAN!!!

Quote (five33 @ Apr 12 2010 11:59am)

yawn  danzou used a jutsu to seal/crush the eye away 

http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/000281382/11.jpg

and  kakashi is a 11 year old boy at the time with no earth nature chakara  are you honestly surprised he couldn't move a huge ass rock?

......

my theory is that some one from the hidden grass " country were the fight took place"  or some one from the hidden rock " ninja they were fighting"  happened to be around and saved obito and brought him back to there village as a prisoner to get information on the shargian and the leaf its self ,  and in his mass amounts of torture  " hence it was during a war"  he awakend the MS and escaped and  he helped zetsu who escaped also. "zetsu could of been in prison for using some forbidden jutsu  it could explain his ugly ass appearance"

Quote (XeroOD @ Apr 12 2010 10:33am)

That would be a pretty interesting twist. I've been convinced Tobi really was Madara all along and used a forbidden technique of some sort to keep himself alive longer. I never even gave it a chance that Tobi could be Obito. My question is, why would Obito want to destroy the Leaf? He gave his eye to a comrade when he was convinced he was going to die.

Quote (five33 @ Apr 11 2010 10:20am)

the reason i think the obioto theory is a possibility  "im not saying it right just leaving open the possibility of it" is because

1. Obito would be weaker then madara and thus we have the "ghost of former self" aspect
2. Similar hair style "but all uchia have black spiked hair  so this one is a strech"
3. Obito was a proud member of the clan so one would assume he would be rather upset once he uncovered the truth about his clans history "motivation"
4. Obito got crushed in the land of grass, Zetsu home place,
5. Kabuto made 2 separate smart ass comments about tobi useing the name  Madara
6. Tobi called kabuto a "wise guy"  implying kabuto calling him madara was in fact a joke in its self
7. Kabuto has a secret body in a coffin that tobi wants to be kept a secret,  Why would madara "the real one" want his brother body a secret or any of the hokages bodies secrets?
8. Tobi was suprised at the body in the coffin " Tobi knew ochi and his skills  Tobi most likely knew ochi could summon 1st-4th hokage  so why would this surprise him ?
9. Tobi has space time jutsu that is very similar to kakashi
10. tobi = obito with 1 less o
11. the eye situation, " but its still unclear if  tobi swaps out his left eye with the ones on the wall" one would assume he does
12. Obito and Izua have the exact same birthday
.............

i was die hard against the obito theory for a while but evediance is building up to form some kind of connection between  tobi and obito


but there are other theory i think are possible also,  but not going to provide evediance for them

Tobi is the real madara and he used Izangi to escape death of the 1st and forever closed his left eye and thus " ghost of former self"

Tobi is Izua madaras brother and took back the eyes of  from his older brother before he died

Any one of these can be correct  it makes no sense to bitch and cry and call names over opinions  and such

this is a discussion thread and its open to any one who wants to come and discuss there ideas of the story line,  nn to put people down

Quote (five33 @ Apr 11 2010 09:41pm)

Obioto was all ready a chunin and he passed the test at age 11,  so he had some decent basic skill down,  not to mention his teacher was the 4th hokage him self, so im sure he got some bad ass training after the ninja academy

as for motive there are plenty,  he could be upset at the true history the village put his clan threw, he could be upset of the death of rin, "i dont think he killed rin his self", 

Zetsu is a mysterious character and isnt a strong fighting type but seems to have plenty of support moves, he could of easily saved/ healed obito, and  zetsu could of taken him to the land of grass  as a prisoner before he exiled to try and get info on the blood limit of the uchia or such and threw extreme torture done to obito "to get info on the shargian and leaf village its self" he could of awakend the MS  and zetsu saw the potential and rembered the legends of madara and decided to help him in some manner,  or  some one else in the land of grass saved obito and zetsu and obito were in captivity together and in obitos torture he awakened it and saved him self and zetsu and zetsu has been loyal from then

kakshi was 10 when obioto was crushed and he is 32 now  "28 when he first met naruto and its 4 years later"  so if obito awakend it under torture at age 12 or so  he  has had 20 years to get bad ass before we met him

..........
the point of my post is  we dont know the history of tobi and we cant confirm or deny theories, in this crazy ninja world any thing can happen,  i mean fuck there is a guy who get his head cut off and he still  alive due to a religion

and there are quite of few connections between tobi and obito

Quote (prslol @ Apr 12 2010 10:42am)

Obito might turn on Konoha because of all the stuff regarding his clan. Theres also a possiblity that Rin died similarly to whitefang which would  upset him. Also I wouldn't really say hes against Konoha either. His goal is to collect all the tailed beasts so that he can create his own peaceful world. The whole revenge on Konoha thing just seems like his way to manipulate Sasuke into defeating Naruto for him.

Quote (prslol @ Apr 12 2010 12:42pm)

ya well it also follows his repetitive nature.

3 main ninja groups
Jariya, Tsunde, Oro
Naruto,Sakura,Sasuke
Kakashi, Obito, Rin

1 genius, 1 medical girl ninja, 1 goofy tard

goofy tard is in love with medical girl ninja. genius goes evil. cept in the case of kakashi's group where essentially Obito would go evil if hes Tobi. Just a slight difference like how the medical ninja girl loves the genius except in Tsunde's case. I don't remember her loving Oro.

Pretty sure even Danzous group was similar from what I remember. He was also the goofy ninja and kind of "turned bad."

I think this also shows that just because Obito was a crybaby goofy ninja doesn't mean he can't be strong now. Since Danzou, Jariya and Naruto were all the same.

Although I don't think he is offensively strong since he was most likely trained by Zetsu and he wants to use Sasuke so badly.


As for Kabuto I have no idea what his intentions are.


Obito might turn on Konoha because of all the stuff regarding his clan. Theres also a possiblity that Rin died similarly to whitefang which would  upset him. Also I wouldn't really say hes against Konoha either. His goal is to collect all the tailed beasts so that he can create his own peaceful world. The whole revenge on Konoha thing just seems like his way to manipulate Sasuke into defeating Naruto for him.