didnt tobi know of the plans way b4 they happened?


also it says madara released the kyuubi, doesnt mean tobi did, maybe theres another missing element?

i dont recall any kind of silhouette

4th hokage knew it was an attack from a ninja (didnt knew who )
and itachi said it was madara not tobi

so indeed cant rly answer this xD

then again kisame knows tobi as former mizukage after he took his mask of and he called him madara



dont know if tobi claimed that

there could be idd a missing element
well maybe new ep will clear things up a bit (bout madara)

This post was edited by ben6660 on Apr 11 2010 07:21pm

kisame can be out of the loop more then he thinks he is?

also notice zetsu, he goes back and forth from calling him tobi/madara

its never consistent


idk if its each face, or if theres something to it, but yeahh

didnt rly notice this gonna pay attention next time on zetsu

i originally caught it in the anime, started watching some manga and it couldnt have been just a coinky dink

if it still is Madara im interested in who can be in the coffin that wouldn't make it just a lame trick to entice the reader to believe that tobi isn't madara. clearly the word play with kabuto can make you to think its not him but he can also justify it by it only meaning kabuto was just refering to how tobi revealed his identity.

i can't really think of any person though that should have that impact on madara (his brother shouldn't unless he doesn't want to fight the fake him but thats just tacky). where as with izuna or obito if its madaras body theres obviously that reaction and with obito rin or the 4th might make him react that way. maybe as a far far stretch whitefang for obito too.

maybeh

why the fuck would obito want to get revenge on konoha and kakashi? say obito lived by some crazy plot no jutsu miracle.

who the hell trained him, helped him get mangekyou sharingan, and how the hell did he form akatsuki by himself.

he was portrayed as a weak crybaby ninja that was a pansy that died a hero. all these tobi/obito theories are retarded as fuck and you're just as retarded for bringing this back up.

and here comes the flame again, we were having such a nice discussion,

Obioto was all ready a chunin and he passed the test at age 11, so he had some decent basic skill down, not to mention his teacher was the 4th hokage him self, so im sure he got some bad ass training after the ninja academy

as for motive there are plenty, he could be upset at the true history the village put his clan threw, he could be upset of the death of rin, "i dont think he killed rin his self",

Zetsu is a mysterious character and isnt a strong fighting type but seems to have plenty of support moves, he could of easily saved/ healed obito, and zetsu could of taken him to the land of grass as a prisoner before he exiled to try and get info on the blood limit of the uchia or such and threw extreme torture done to obito "to get info on the shargian and leaf village its self" he could of awakend the MS and zetsu saw the potential and rembered the legends of madara and decided to help him in some manner, or some one else in the land of grass saved obito and zetsu and obito were in captivity together and in obitos torture he awakened it and saved him self and zetsu and zetsu has been loyal from then

kakshi was 10 when obioto was crushed and he is 32 now "28 when he first met naruto and its 4 years later" so if obito awakend it under torture at age 12 or so he has had 20 years to get bad ass before we met him

..........
the point of my post is we dont know the history of tobi and we cant confirm or deny theories, in this crazy ninja world any thing can happen, i mean fuck there is a guy who get his head cut off and he still alive due to a religion

and there are quite of few connections between tobi and obito

This post was edited by five33 on Apr 11 2010 10:05pm