when i read the manga i misunderstood it at first

when zetsu said he could make an exact copy all the way down to the chakra i thought he meant he could match chakra levels, so he would have had as much chakra as kisame


then i realized he meant chakra nature and appearance

why the first seemed to be nothing special compared to todays top dogs in his time yes he was strong sarutobi took on the first and second and almost took out orochi to using the fourths move and they were implying that the fourth was stronger than saru at his age at least so thats two ninjas that ez the first and jiraiya was up for hokage instead of the fourth and for the fifth but he didnt want it

madara was defeated by the first in his PRIME he himself stated he is very weak compared to his old self

ok and comparing anyone to the sage of 6 paths has what point? and pain was the frontman leader of the akatsuki the whole time.... maybe madara used him so the members would listen cuz madara not strong enuff to boss them this is just a rand thought tho

when u say it is clear that madara is stronger than pain everything u say after that says nothing to help ur case

wat? ok he can tele to where nagato is and kill him how and depends on the user madara is best with sharingan but nagato is best with rinnegan lol

obviously he cant just auto tele/kill ppl or else he would and wouldnt have lost to the 1st or anyone like how pain was never defeated..?

i think all u guys are just to into madara's char and the idea of him

oh yeah and i think it showed madara's ms in a flashback or when they were speakin of him in the old times

rofl

the 1st was the strongest period he was stronger then his brother and the 3rd the 3rd knew more jutsu then the 1st but wasent stronger, and how can you claim cause the 3rd beat up 2 people wraped in dirt dressed up like the 1st and 2nd means hes stronger? there were intimation and baddies,

the 1st had control of almost all the bijuu and he gave them away to balance power and made a better world more peaceful world,

pain was just to young an in experienced, jaryia taught him the basics but he had to figure the rest out for him self with his eyes and thats a slow process not having some on give u tips and hints , pain had potential to be the strongest but he needed a few more years to become untouchable

i mean if u read the manga its clear madara > pain

This post was edited by five33 on Mar 19 2010 01:42am

Anyone else kind of unsatisfied at the fact that we're following this story that masashi kishimoto simply stretched for extra length?

You don't feel like a sheep eating this manga up every week? As if the story wasn't supposed to end like 80 chapters ago?

This isn't bleach bro

hahah xD

we saw madaras ms when he was telling sasuke about who itachi really was. it was when madara was telling him he and his brother were the first to awaken it.



4th was stronger tha the first. pretty sure it even said that a few times throughout the manga

This post was edited by ridman2000 on Mar 19 2010 06:42am

and dosent the 4th tell naruto there is a stronger ninja them him self controling the fox makeing it attack the village? and he names him tobi the one with the mask

sooo

4th stronger then the 1st
1st beat madara
and the 4th claims madara is stronger then himself
at the time madara should be weaker then cause he fought the 1st
the whole ghost of his self thing

soo the 4th eather got extremely weak in his prim he was young "not likely" or Madara grew a lot stronger

but make your own conclusion

This post was edited by five33 on Mar 19 2010 09:48am

Is it just me, or are both Bleach and Naruto only getting worse and worse while One Piece is stayin' great and getting better by each chapter?

The most annoying thing about this series is that it started out sooooo good. The characters had dimensions and layers and verisimilitude. The main character used to be funny and relatable. The story used to be driving towards a particular end and the arcs used to contribute to that end.
Now the main characters have all shed dimensions. Nartuto isn't the #1 unpredictable knucklehead ninja anymore. The only thing left of his personality is his serious side and his Sasuke obsession. Sasuke doesn't even have his own personality anymore, he has Orochimaru's. And Sakura....well, for a while she had the most depth out of the main characters. Unfortunately her only purpose is apparently to make everyone around her look cooler by comparison.

And the story. All I have to say is Moon's Eye Plan and that about sums it up. I get what Kishi is trying to do with his story and I give him credit for trying something difficult but he has strayed too far from his strengths and the story has suffered for it.
I'm not even sure why I'm reading this shit anymore. Naruto has gone from great to absolutely terrible.

Kishi might as well just change the name of the manga to Sasuke - The Emo Avenger, let him and Naruto use some "Talk No Jutsu" (the most overused ability in the series), fuck each other for a few chapters and spare us busy people some valuable time.

And Bleach, lol! Just look how much the story have progressed in the last 3 years ? They haven't even rescued Orihime yet and I've even forgot Aizen's purpose of destroying Ichigo's town to begin with.

This post was edited by GuZ on Mar 19 2010 10:19am