it can change direction in midair at his will.
showed it when he fought hitsugaya

Ichigo's gonna put on his halloween mask and 5-OHz Gin's 13km sword bankai

gin has his own halloween mask,

and gin is a 50x better swords man then ichigo is,

he was a genius became 3rd seat ate age 12 or 10 not sure but young as fuck, then he has 100 + years to hone his skills, gin is one of the most strongest captains in the gotei 13, i think only aizen yohana and captain commander are stronger then him

Where does it say ever in the manga plot that Gin was ever hollowfied. Don't make things up. Tousen was the only one (of the 3 capataisn that defected from gotei 13) that was hollowfied as far as the viewer knows.

I don't know whee you got the informationin manga or anime where it says ichigo is less skilled at using swords than Gin. Don't make things up.

Ichigo has beaten Ikkaku, Kenpachi, Renji, Byakuya, the bounto Kariya, Many Menos Grandes, Adjucas, Numerous Arrancar and ex-Esapadas, Grimmjow and his released form, Urriqilla released form 2. Ichigo dared to defy the gotei 13. He achieved his bankai in only a few days while the most skilled cpts needed 10 years to develop. He has become more a skilled with his hollowfication than the Vizards and he has reached the Hollowfication form #2. And do you still have doubt that Ichigo is less skilled than Gin? seriously look at all of the solid proof.

Ya true Gin became a vice cpt and then a cpt at a very young age and considered a genious. Hitsugaya was also a young genious and even younger possibly than Gin. During the fight with Gin vs Hitsugaya Gin made mention of Hitsugaya being the kind of rare genuious you can only find in a"X" amountof years at best. Not only that he has the strongest ice type zangpakto

Yohana 4th squad cpt through out the series and manga so far no one ahs ever seen her fight, how can she be the strognest cpt? she's not a fighter, she's only a powerful healer.

Old man yama (strognest fire zangpakto and strongest zangpakto in all of soul society as stated in the recent muramusa filer), Kenpachi (so strong despite not knowing his swod's name and only can use a shikai), Hitsugaya (strongest ice zangpakto and youngest cpt ever), Aizen (able to take down bankais with only kido, able to take down cpt's bankais and released espadas with a unreleased zangpakto).

Hitsugaya probabaly would have killed Gin with his shikai if he hadn't tried to kill Hinamori as a dirty move.

If Tousen did it we can assume gin was also even though its not confirmed. Ichigo got his bankai in 3 days because of the cheat yoruichi gave him.

We can't assume who would have won that fight with gin vs hitsu.

Don't bring fillers in here, they are irrelevant to the manga. People's powers get toned down to make the story longer and they just plain don't matter.

We don't care who Ichigo has beaten, we also read the manga.

its unohana not yohana. Learn2spell plz.

True it is all speculation at this point, however there is basis behind what he is saying and we do not need a lecture from a random.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Apr 8 2010 07:08pm

he is not more skilled than the vaizards.
his mask still had to come off in recent fights due to duration

When? He mastered it during his last fight with grimmjow.

[QUOTE=Thor123422,Apr 8 2010 06:07pm]

its unohana not yohana. Learn2spell plz.

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Tell that to five33@jsp he referred to her as "Yohana". The point was to indicate she's a healer not a fighter. Regardless of spelling we know she is the 4th squad cpt.

P.s. Don't be be rude when no has provoked you

This post was edited by Dkmjang on Apr 8 2010 08:03pm

We can't assume who would have won that fight with gin vs hitsu. <--- Yep who knows, they were both using shikai after all, no bankais.

Don't bring fillers in here, they are irrelevant to the manga. <--- anime is based off the manga, anime fillers are also part of the anime and anime/fillers, manga are all drawn and scripted and produced by Tite Kubo. Same ideas from the ame author. If you don't care for anime/fillers that's your opinion good for you. That's your opinion alone. The reason why it was brought up because it was used to support the point of Old man Yama's power. BTW Old Man Yama also said 2 chapters ago that "there was a reason why he has served a cpt command of the gotei 13 for 1000+ years.

We don't care who Ichigo has beaten, we also read the manga. <---- Was just brought up to illustrate Ichigo's battle record. Apparantly we do care who he beats, he's the main character/ protagonist. Other wise we would have stopped reading/watching this series a long time ago.

we do not need a lecture from a random <--- random? I have know clue who you are either. Ask someone from my f list they wouldn't know who you are either. We are all randoms to somebody.
Don't turn this topic into a flame and don't be rude. This is a topic to share opinions and ideas and to discuss hobby. We are all free to share our own views and opinions. No need to include insults.

Bleach 396 page 20 says it all:

Aizen to Ichigo: "In your battle with Grimmjow, you mastered hollowfication." "And it seems during your battle with Ulquiorra you gained a power greater than that." (he means the hollow form 2)

Now correct me if I'm wrong, none of the Vizards can use hollow form 2. Ichigo can however. Does that not prove that he's more skilled with hollowfication? If that doesn't I don't know what does.
We know Hirako can use cero. Ichigo can use cero now too in hollow form 2.