lol, muramasa is filler, he doesn't count because we both know why he showed his powers early on lol, not to mention it's not rly about him, but about his master which has yet to reveal his full potential.

quincies are a group according to the characteristics of a group: interdependent, related in a social way, consider themselves as a group
http://www.infed.org/groupwork/what_is_a_group.htm

rofl, it's sad how you know i'm right and try to come back me by saying "oh vizards aren't considered a group because they're not officially declared one." seriously, you're pathetic.

I never said vaizards weren't a group, are you stupid? I named them as one of the main groups in the series.

The current quincy population is not a group, they are father and son and are currently working independently. Uryuu is giong against his father right now by being in hueco mundo so no, I don't consider the current quincies a group. Uryuu is not independent, he is working with Ichigo. Related in a social way; It is apparent that uryuu pretty much disowns his father, related by blood but not really a social way. Consider themsleves a group; Uryuu used him to help get his powers back then left to go back wich Ichigo. So no, they meet none of the criteria.

I said the vaizards aren't the same as soul society and aizen's army because the others are organized as a military with rankings and such which is something the vaizards completely lack. There is no acknowledgement on who is strongest and you agreed with me that luv is probably stronger than Shinji.


right now your just being stupid and drawing it out because you can't stand the fact that you can be proven wrong.


For the sake of further proving the quincies don't matter; the only similarities is that soul society doesn't like them and tried to kill them. For this topic that is irrelevent as we are discussing their organization and not their pasts.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Jan 4 2010 03:22am

lol you're the one being retarded... i said the leader and strongest members of a group is always usually close to last when it comes to revealing their full power, then you're arguing with me that they don't count because they're not overly organized like what soul society and aizen's arrancar army has which makes no sense because they still follow the same pattern

p.s. lol, i said INTERDEPENDENT, not independent. don't you feel stupid.

This post was edited by Cyba on Jan 4 2010 11:33pm

papa smurf > vaizard

and I suppose you have never misread a single word in your life lol. Calling somebody stupid over something like misreading a word or other petty things is an obvious sign of desperation, as we see quite often on these forums. Don't you feel stupid, your basically shouting out that you have no argument and how desperate you are to not have to admit to yourself that you were wrong.

Lets see. Interdependence is a dynamic of being mutually and physically responsible to, and sharing a common set of principles with, others. It is pretty obvious that they feel no responsibility to each other beyond what is legally required such as his father providing food/housing for him. Uryuu has practically disowned his dad and only turned back to him out of desperation to get his powers back. They do not share common principals and if I have to explain why you haven't been paying attention.

Anywayyyyyyyy. In any other group we have seen so far there is a very pronounced leader as well as lower ranks below those and lower ranks below those. Head captain -> captains -> vice-captains or Aizen -> Gin/Tousen -> Espada -> fraccion, and so far they have all fought from lowest to highest. This isn't the same in the case of the vaizards. The second they burst onto the scene they all seperated into groups and started fighting at the same time regardless of any ranking system they might have. In fact, if I remember correctly, Shinji was the FIRST to get into a real fight by attempting to cut aizen while the others were fighting the gillian. Both of these examples show a very clear lack of organization that the other groups have been following.

Also, can somebody point out where it spells out that Shinji is the leader? Or is it an unspoken rule? He is the leader regardless but it supports my argument even more if his leadership has never been stated.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Jan 4 2010 11:50pm

the war is on finally the 2 big disagreeers disagree

Looks Epic!!
Vasto Lorde for sure..... FINALLY!!

This post was edited by Epion on Jan 5 2010 04:32pm

Source for this?

his ass

Why can't you accept that the espada ARE vasto lorde? Ulquiorra is the silhouette every time they talked about it, and there was at least one occasion where they talked about vasto lorde with a shadow of him and yammy together, so its pretty obvious there are vasto lorde. Yes, I'm trying to start up this conversation again It's a fun re-run