Quote (kalelvszod @ 25 Dec 2017 19:26)
power scaling is bullshit in dbs. when goku first faced hit he used kaiokan x10 and beerus nearly shit himself. normal ssb kaiokan goku is already stronger than anything vegeta could achieve in blue form let alone kaiokan x20 which didnt even phase jiren and should make goku stronger than a god of destruction. there is no way in hell vegeta should even touch jiren.goku and vegeta even stated the time room was loosing its affect on them and not really increasing there power.
whis trained goku and vegeta in their base form for a reason though, and also said that his raw speed/power is stronger than goku w/ his kaioken.
also Vegeta trained non-stop in his baseform (following whis's advise while goku didn't really take it as srsly) whis also gave him 2x heavier weights compared to goku during their training, he didnt sleep much and trained some more instead, while goku just slept etc.
he also became a ssgb on his own after intense training with whis for half a year, while goku got handed his form by other saiyans. Plus goku even said vegeta surpassed him at that point
also makes sense that universe 6 saiyans are so str0nk so fast cos they never relied on SSJ forms til goku/vegeta showed/taught them. They pretty much trained and fought in their base forms most of their life, so when they transformed they were much more stronger compared to goku/vegeta's same level transformation