i said normal captains, meaning the ones that did show their bankai.... and i said ichigo was only stronger than half the captains.. i didn't say ichigo can rape them all.....i CLEARLY said ichigo can rape ~half of the captains......so what if luppi isn't calm? i don't see anywhere that says a vasto lorde has to be calm.... the manga and anime only states that a vasto lorde's combat capabilities are above that of a captain, and it showed him raping a captain...nowhere did it say a vasto lorde has to be calm......ok, ulquoirra never ever said he's nothing compared to the top 3 espadas....he only said they're are 3 stronger than himself right after he raped ichigo in heuco mundo for the first time..... he says, "even if you defeat me, there are still 3 more stronger than myself" or something like that......and i don't get what ulquoirra saying there are 3 stronger than himself have to do with him being a vasto lorde....that's just like saying hitsugaya can't be a captain because there are other captains stronger than himself.....plus kubo gave sooooo many hints as to ulquoirra being a vasto lorde... i don't know how you can miss them......nnoitara was worried about his fraccion... he's not scared of kenpachi whatsoever... you see him laughing and enjoying their fight... he wasn't shivering and hiding in a corner.....

overall, you need to rewatch bleach and stop making up events and twist the words of what characters say for your own benefits.

This post was edited by Cyba on Aug 18 2009 05:40am

Pretty much sums it up.

Captains who can defeat Vasto Lordes:

Yamamoto
Kenpachi
Byakuya
Kyouraku (havn't seen bankai, but we all know he is very strong.)
Juushiro (havn't seen bankai, but we all know he is very strong.)

___ AVREAGE LINE HERE____( so Vasto Lordes are stronger than avreage captain.. so stronger than the captains mentioned below)

Captains who can't defeat Vasto Lordes:

Soi Fon
Komaruma
Hitsugaya (although this ice-dude actually owned #3.. but meh..)
Mayuri

And Unohana is unclear by now. (although I'd say she can easily own vasto's)

And if 1-6 are vasto lordes, the same list is still on.
So those 4 noob captains couldn't win even grimmjow, unlike the 5 godly captains.


So in other words, it would fit very nicely if 1-6 are indeed Vasto Lordes..

This post was edited by greydoom on Aug 18 2009 07:09am

idk
He could probably do some scientific shit to get him the win, never know what he's capable of. He made Syazel look like a dumbass and just played with him

This post was edited by Onceamule on Aug 18 2009 07:12am

Yeah, Mayuri is imo strongest among those "noob" captains.

But I was trying to divide the captains 50-50, so that people would understund my point ^^

The avreage line that divides the captains 50-50 is imo very valid.

Coz I can't really think that Mayuri would be among the upper captains instead of Yamamoto, zaraki, kuchiki, kyouraku, juushiro.

So if you claim (which you do not.. at least in a straight way. So don't mind me arguing ^^) that Mayuri could own Vasto Lorde, than some1 among the listed upper captains couldn't kill vasto.

The list has to be 50-50, no matter what.

(explained very badly.. but maybe you get the idea)

Thor you really think my prediction is gona' come true? LOL



Finals and stuff... no time



Cyba, for Christ sake stfu.
We don't have enough information to really tell... your speculation is annoying.







Spoiler for this week's manga:

Cover page is Barragan.

Splash page is the skeleton (Barragan)

Hacchi compliments Soifon: You can even get in through the crack in the barriers.

Soifon: I have a limit of 1 shot per 3 days, I did 2 shots in one day…considering I’ll be getting something in return. (TN: it’s implied that this is something good…like trapping up Urahara for 1 month XD)

Barragan seems to have eaten up the attack and he still lives

(Soifon and Hacchi) face the “Komundoru” god and went “WTF” in surprise. (TN: I’m assuming the “god” is Barragan. Someone on 2ch says Nja really meant “Hueco Mundo”, so…)

Barragan starts going berserk and spitting out his Death breath ceaselessly.

The right hand (not sure who it belongs to?Edit: judging from responses on 2ch, it’s probably Barragan himself) was eaten by the breath and starts to age, but was stopped by the barrier. Then it went inside Barragan’s stomach/midsection.
(TN: Confusing, this part)

Barragan destroyed the entire severed right hand.

That was what happened.

This post was edited by Epion on Aug 18 2009 10:35am

rewatch? now you already fail

Manga > Anime

Nnotoria never cared about his Fraccio, he shit himself.

Why do you think the top Espada's are all quite and not going looking for a fight untill ordered by Aizen? because they don't have to prove themselves, they know they can rape a Captain.

Grimjaw, Nnotoria, etc have to go looking for a fight to prove they're the shit.

what benefit? to get everyone to hate me in the Internet? I'm sorry If you think I'm taking other peoples hate instead you getting them.
I should just leave all thier hatred for you right? seeing almost everyone here hates you.

They don't need to prove themselves.. they just are what they are. (destruction and despair)

I can understand those, but saying they're king or that no one can beat them is as good as "I have to prove myself or I'm just Bs'ing when I said those words"

So it starts again where it left off the barrier got blown up by soifons bankai, an there is a cloud of smoke, a panel later the smoke clears and we see barragan just standing there, soifon has a unsure face but notices barragan is all cracked on his face we then see his axe fall to the ground an he crumbles into dust.

Hachi says, that blast was his biggest weakness and that if you can hit him hard enough with a big enough blast his fate was sealed.

soifon,omeada and hacchi now look relived

we switch over to stark who notices barragan is now dead he just says “tsh that’s no good”

Then we go back to halibel,Lisa is attacking her and she is easily blocking lisa goes shikai and there both attacking hiyori joins in now and toshi just stands at the side halibel does one of her wave attacks

then at the end she says that piller of ice helped for now I have enough ice to do my ultimate attack.