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Aug 10 2009 09:33pm
Quote (Cyba @ Mon, Aug 10 2009, 09:15pm)
and you can count them on your fingers

http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000003/000107632/16.jpg


Well that makes sense, since there are only 9 Fatmen in existence, and most people have 10 fingers, then yes there could be up to 9 Vasto Lordes
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ya but that conjecture on their number was based on what they knew of HM before Aizen strolled over with the hogyouku

and afaik we don't know if the hogyouku just FF's a hollow into whatever they could become i.e. adjuchas or VL, or if it takes them to VL no matter what, or if it takes them to whatever Aizen wants depending on the spirit energy he releases at the time etc.

Until Kubo decides to give us more info this debate will stay a cyclical "U...NOU" argument


i did not understand what you just said... but seems like you think a vasto lorde is born every second though... a vasto lorde isn't born that fast... it prolly takes hundreds of years for one to spawn, hence why there are so few... and do you have proof that hitsugaya is talking about them before aizen? seems to me he was talking about present......also seems like you think hougyoku can upgrade a hollow's rank.... . hougykyou only breaks the barriers or mend the barriers between shinigami and hollows.... that's all it does...... give hollows a sword...it doesn't turn an adjuchas to a vasto lorde...

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does it say somewhere that it only releases their mask? I must have missed that part.


it says it everywhere... hougyoku breaks the barriers between shinigamis and hollows.
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Quote (Cyba @ Mon, Aug 10 2009, 11:55pm)
it says it everywhere... hougyoku breaks the barriers between shinigamis and hollows.


This is cool:

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This is cool:

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i did not understand what you just said... but seems like you think a vasto lorde is born every second though... a vasto lorde isn't born that fast... it prolly takes hundreds of years for one to spawn, hence why there are so few... and do you have proof that hitsugaya is talking about them before aizen? seems to me he was talking about present......also seems like you think hougyoku can upgrade a hollow's rank.... . hougykyou only breaks the barriers or mend the barriers between shinigami and hollows.... that's all it does...... give hollows a sword...it doesn't turn an adjuchas to a vasto lorde...





they have/had no intel in Hueco Mundo as to Aizens doings. How would he know how many vasto lordes were there and had been created by Aizen since Aizen had gone there? Nobody but Urahara can open a portal (can't remember the exact term for that opening) into Hueco Mundo and he had been in the works of making one; he hadn't made one yet. And based on the page before he seems to be referring to the "lore" so to speak of Hueco Mundo and its inhabitants. "It is said" seems to convey the message that it's something that's common knowledge that has been around for a long time. Without any way to gather intel at that stage of the story there's no way that he could be talking about the current situation.

Also, where do you see me saying that I think they're born every second? The only time I refer to them being born is when I was talking about when Aizen uses the hogyouku and what exactly it does. Whether it gives them a free pass to vasto lorde, whether it gives them a free pass to whatever level they could have attained through years of eating hollows/getting stronger, or what, since... again... as far as I know it hasn't been explained exactly what the hogyouku does. Unless you know where it says that it just melds the barrier since it seems like it must give them a power boost as well if they kicked out the old arrancars. But I never once commented on the speed of birth or creation or however you want to describe it.


Quote (Cyba @ Mon, Aug 10 2009, 08:55pm)
it says it everywhere... hougyoku breaks the barriers between shinigamis and hollows.


show me where or explain why every single arrancar born through the hogyouku has been stronger than the old arrancars (since Chad and Uryuu could beat them but not even the number 8 teaming up with Renji)

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they have/had no intel in Hueco Mundo as to Aizens doings. How would he know how many vasto lordes were there and had been created by Aizen since Aizen had gone there? Nobody but Urahara can open a portal (can't remember the exact term for that opening) into Hueco Mundo and he had been in the works of making one; he hadn't made one yet. And based on the page before he seems to be referring to the "lore" so to speak of Hueco Mundo and its inhabitants. "It is said" seems to convey the message that it's something that's common knowledge that has been around for a long time. Without any way to gather intel at that stage of the story there's no way that he could be talking about the current situation.

Also, where do you see me saying that I think they're born every second? The only time I refer to them being born is when I was talking about when Aizen uses the hogyouku and what exactly it does. Whether it gives them a free pass to vasto lorde, whether it gives them a free pass to whatever level they could have attained through years of eating hollows/getting stronger, or what, since... again... as far as I know it hasn't been explained exactly what the hogyouku does. Unless you know where it says that it just melds the barrier since it seems like it must give them a power boost as well if they kicked out the old arrancars. But I never once commented on the speed of birth or creation or however you want to describe it.




show me where or explain why every single arrancar born through the hogyouku has been stronger than the old arrancars (since Chad and Uryuu could beat them but not even the number 8 teaming up with Renji)


Even among the adjuchas, there are different strength levels... this is the reason for the gaps in power.

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Quote (PuNKsNoTDeAD @ Mon, Aug 10 2009, 06:29pm)
all im sayin on this issue is that i doubt they would kill off a vasto lord without even acknowledging them as being one

and vasto lords are supposed to be rare and mysterious i doubt kubo would make almost all of the espada them, there would leave nowhere for the story to go since vasto is the highest form of hollow


yea, that's why we said almost half of the espada team are vasto lordes.....yea they're rare and mysterious, but why would kubo give aizen like 1 or 2 vasto lordes? who the fuck in their right mind would have the balls to try to take over the world and challenge soul society's team of captains with no vasto lorde arrancars?
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http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000003/000107632/16.jpg

they have/had no intel in Hueco Mundo as to Aizens doings.  How would he know how many vasto lordes were there and had been created by Aizen since Aizen had gone there?  Nobody but Urahara can open a portal (can't remember the exact term for that opening) into Hueco Mundo and he had been in the works of making one; he hadn't made one yet.  And based on the page before he seems to be referring to the "lore" so to speak of Hueco Mundo and its inhabitants.  "It is said" seems to convey the message that it's something that's common knowledge that has been around for a long time.  Without any way to gather intel at that stage of the story there's no way that he could be talking about the current situation.

Also, where do you see me saying that I think they're born every second? The only time I refer to them being born is when I was talking about when Aizen uses the hogyouku and what exactly it does.  Whether it gives them a free pass to vasto lorde, whether it gives them a free pass to whatever level they could have attained through years of eating hollows/getting stronger, or what, since... again... as far as I know it hasn't been explained exactly what the hogyouku does.  Unless you know where it says that it just melds the barrier since it seems like it must give them a power boost as well if they kicked out the old arrancars.  But I never once commented on the speed of birth or creation or however you want to describe it.




show me where or explain why every single arrancar born through the hogyouku has been stronger than the old arrancars (since Chad and Uryuu could beat them but not even the number 8 teaming up with Renji)


thank you for using pictures i already posted a page ago.... and rofl?!?!?!?!?!? nobody but urahara can portal to hueco mundo? roflllfllflfl..........you mean to say nobody but uarahara knows how the garganta works.......there are other ways to get to hueco mundo than to make the portal yourself.....the rest of what you said makes no sense and i don't think anyone can tell what you're arguing for the first paragraph......

you think a vasto lorde is born every second because you're over there saying: "you don't know how much more vasto lordes spawn since aizen got the houkyouku"....aizen's only been gone for like a couple months to a couple years.... a vasto lorde takes longer than that to form or else all of hueco mundo would be vasto lordes if everyone can become one in that short amount of time.....and nope, aizen pretty much explained exactly what the houkyouku does countless times....urahara did it some too i think......the captain commander explained it too.....the audience pretty much knows exactly what it does....i don't see why you're confused......the houkyouku is a more efficient way of hollowfication, that's why it's powers are dormant for most of the time except when added with dense spiritual pressure where it's powers are to the max for a short moment

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http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000003/000107632/15.jpg
http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000003/000107632/16.jpg

they have/had no intel in Hueco Mundo as to Aizens doings.  How would he know how many vasto lordes were there and had been created by Aizen since Aizen had gone there?  Nobody but Urahara can open a portal (can't remember the exact term for that opening) into Hueco Mundo and he had been in the works of making one; he hadn't made one yet.  And based on the page before he seems to be referring to the "lore" so to speak of Hueco Mundo and its inhabitants.  "It is said" seems to convey the message that it's something that's common knowledge that has been around for a long time.  Without any way to gather intel at that stage of the story there's no way that he could be talking about the current situation.

Also, where do you see me saying that I think they're born every second? The only time I refer to them being born is when I was talking about when Aizen uses the hogyouku and what exactly it does.  Whether it gives them a free pass to vasto lorde, whether it gives them a free pass to whatever level they could have attained through years of eating hollows/getting stronger, or what, since... again... as far as I know it hasn't been explained exactly what the hogyouku does.  Unless you know where it says that it just melds the barrier since it seems like it must give them a power boost as well if they kicked out the old arrancars.  But I never once commented on the speed of birth or creation or however you want to describe it.




show me where or explain why every single arrancar born through the hogyouku has been stronger than the old arrancars (since Chad and Uryuu could beat them but not even the number 8 teaming up with Renji)


ive been arguing about this for months with cyba i would just give up. nothing is going to be changed until kubo proves it
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