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Jan 16 2011 05:10pm
Quote (Pavise @ Jan 16 2011 01:10pm)
its shame seeing how he was so unique character with nice spicy personality, but im going to have to agree with you there

bon clay indeed said goodbyes to the crew that left impel down and was undoubtedly poisoned by magellan thus died


It was sad, but yeah...they did the big final sequence of goodbyes.
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Jan 16 2011 08:54pm
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?? he did die though.. and if he comes back and is alive then yes i'd say he is "magically still alive" and would pretty much make the previous flashback pointless

oh and this is the first time for Bon Clay to be considered dead...


Sabo could of survived. All it showed was the ship ruined by the cannonball.

I also would consider Bon Clay as MIA rather than KIA.

He was a loose prisoner who was cornered by the warden. So yes, he *could* be dead or he could have somehow survived / been re-imprisoned.

We also know that Megellan was defeated so BB could have entered the picture before Bon Clay was defeated. BB has no real reason to kill Bon Clay as long as he stays out of his way.

It's highly likely Bon Clay is alive.
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Jan 16 2011 08:56pm
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i agree not enough death in this anime, oda did a bad job if you ask me

how many people fake die here?

bon clay

that hawk zoan from arabasta

robin(was poisoned and shouldnt have lived)

wouldnt be surprised of WB and ace came back to life the way oda writes


Bon Clay was imprisoned, not killed. This was obvious.

I agree on the hawk zoan.

I don't recall when robin was poisoned.
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Jan 16 2011 09:05pm
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Sabo could of survived.  All it showed was the ship ruined by the cannonball. 

I also would consider Bon Clay as MIA rather than KIA. 

He was a loose prisoner who was cornered by the warden.  So yes, he *could* be dead or he could have somehow survived / been re-imprisoned. 

We also know that Megellan was defeated so BB could have entered the picture before Bon Clay was defeated.  BB has no real reason to kill Bon Clay as long as he stays out of his way. 

It's highly likely Bon Clay is alive.


yeah.. but one of Dadan's guys said he saw the whole thing. sometimes you go by what other characters in the story see and not only by what is drawn.. and Luffy and Ace had already moved on from Sabo.. I don't think it would be a smart move to bring Sabo back from the dead.. I mean that was a pretty big eventful thing to happen in Luffy's life and just all of sudden bring him back would kind of ruin that. + that whole flashback seems pointless if Sabo died in it and then all of a sudden appears alive..

e/ basically if he is still alive then oda should have made that clear by showing him alive like at the end of the flashback.. that would have been okay.. like showing him alive unknown to Luffy and Ace.

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yeah.. but one of Dadan's guys said he saw the whole thing. sometimes you go by what other characters in the story see and not only by what is drawn.. and Luffy and Ace had already moved on from Sabo.. I don't think it would be a smart move to bring Sabo back from the dead.. I mean that was a pretty big eventful thing to happen in Luffy's life and just all of sudden bring him back would kind of ruin that. + that whole flashback seems pointless if Sabo died in it and then all of a sudden appears alive..

e/ basically if he is still alive then oda should have made that clear by showing him alive like at the end of the flashback.. that would have been okay.. like showing him alive unknown to Luffy and Ace.


i think sabo is alive and its just one of many twist oda is going to throw at us
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Jan 16 2011 11:32pm
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yeah.. but one of Dadan's guys said he saw the whole thing. sometimes you go by what other characters in the story see and not only by what is drawn.. and Luffy and Ace had already moved on from Sabo.. I don't think it would be a smart move to bring Sabo back from the dead.. I mean that was a pretty big eventful thing to happen in Luffy's life and just all of sudden bring him back would kind of ruin that. + that whole flashback seems pointless if Sabo died in it and then all of a sudden appears alive..

e/ basically if he is still alive then oda should have made that clear by showing him alive like at the end of the flashback.. that would have been okay.. like showing him alive unknown to Luffy and Ace.


If only one could know how Oda's mind work.

This post was edited by tOFFELiKastrullen on Jan 16 2011 11:33pm
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It's funny when other mangaka bring back characters that were supposedly dead, people think it was a horrible move by the mangaka.. but if oda does it is just one of his genius twists... I'm sorry but if Sabo is still alive it isn't just one of the many twist... Too many people already predict Sabo being alive.. which just goes to show that it isn't much of a twist.. it is a cliche... an example of a genius twist would be how Brooke was one of the pirates that had Laboon as a nakama...

e/ i personally don't mind when mangaka keep a character alive.. after all a character adds much more to the story when he is alive and not dead.. lol.. but to me, Sabo is an important character to keep dead.

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It's funny when other mangaka bring back characters that were supposedly dead, people think it was a horrible move by the mangaka.. but if oda does it is just one of his genius twists... I'm sorry but if Sabo is still alive it isn't just one of the many twist... Too many people already predict Sabo being alive.. which just goes to show that it isn't much of a twist.. it is a cliche...  an example of a genius twist would be how Brooke was one of the pirates that had Laboon as a nakama...

e/ i personally don't mind when mangaka keep a character alive.. after all a character adds much more to the story when he is alive and not dead.. lol.. but to me, Sabo is an important character to keep dead.


I can he keep dead someone who didn't die?

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Jan 17 2011 01:40am
Quote (kasey21 @ Jan 17 2011 12:35am)
It's funny when other mangaka bring back characters that were supposedly dead, people think it was a horrible move by the mangaka.. but if oda does it is just one of his genius twists... I'm sorry but if Sabo is still alive it isn't just one of the many twist... Too many people already predict Sabo being alive.. which just goes to show that it isn't much of a twist.. it is a cliche...  an example of a genius twist would be how Brooke was one of the pirates that had Laboon as a nakama...

e/ i personally don't mind when mangaka keep a character alive.. after all a character adds much more to the story when he is alive and not dead.. lol.. but to me, Sabo is an important character to keep dead.


i never said it was a genius twist lol just one of many

stop assuming

i can think sabo is alive and still think its a bad idea
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Jan 17 2011 05:18am
Quote (Black487 @ Jan 16 2011 07:56pm)
Bon Clay was imprisoned, not killed.  This was obvious. 

I agree on the hawk zoan. 

I don't recall when robin was poisoned.


bon clay said his goodbyes twice as if he was dead


and robin was poisoned by crocodile's hook, and the poison wasn't supposed to have a cure or some shit like that
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