Quote (Black487 @ Dec 3 2010 06:34am)
I think you're shockingly wrong here. He was strong enough to be a shichibukai. He's strong enough to have donflamingo as his personal fanboy. We also know that donflamingo kills moria (another warlord) because of how weak he is. Yet donflamingo keeps offering partnerships to crocodile, which means among even the shichibukai crocodile wasn't even part of the bottom tier.
We also both know that the "unknown pirate made of rubber" is going to be the next pirate king. The opponents Luffy's defeated so far have been unbelievable. Also, we just agreed that more so than logia or haki, ambition and willpower are the greatest strengths in the show. We know Luffy is rich in both.
Despite this, Crocodile defeated Luffy twice before finally losing. Both victories left Luffy on the brink of death and the only reason Luffy survived was because Crocodile had a tendency to have his enemies suffer slow, painful deaths (Ex: leaving the gutted luffy in the quick sand [See Fig. 1.1], and walking away from the withered / dehydrated luffy [See fig 1.2]). This enabled Luffy time & opportunity to survive to fight again.
Crocodile also went to the most renowned and feared prison on the entire planet (level 6 no less) -- and wasn't even phased by it. Oda actually put a smile on Crocodiles face as he was sent to Impel Down. Crocodile never flinched or even changed his stoic facial expression during tortures that usually drove other inmates mad. I might add that all of these tortures took place with seastone handcuffs on -- meaning he physically endured everything without the aid of his logia abilities. Crocodile was also unaffected by Boa Hancock's beauty when she visited level 6, which says something about Crocodiles resolve and willpower.
It was also stated that crocodile was among many of the renowned "silver medalists" for Gol D. Roger's position in the New World, which is a rather big claim.
Fig 1.1
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Fig 1.2
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Bottom line / tl;dr
Crocodile is a complete and utter hoss.
He does, are you kidding me?
whhhaaat??
For 1, shichibkuais are picked for notoriety and power. Crocodile had a logia, and was good at getting things done. That doesn't make him anything special.
We don't really know the circumstances under which croc became a warlord.
For 2, don flamingo offers partnerships to croc
A: because he is a logia and won't be offed easily
B: because he isn't batshit insane like moria
and C: because he wants to control croc, because he knows he(flamingo) is stronger. If you paid attn while reading, you know notice that croc realized this right away and turned down the offer.
Remember bellamy? Don flamingo is more than just a devils fruit control ability wielder, he holds great control and influence in the grand line and new world. Who wouldn't want to add logias to their empire?
Croc had a bounty of 79 mil before becoming a warlord. Moria was somewhere like 200 or 300 mil.
We also both *KNOW* that the end of one piece isn't here yet. So don't make assumptions. And luffy has gotten through his battles with unrelenting willpower.
Croc only beat him the first 2 times because luffy was still green. He didn't know about logias, he didn't care about them. When luffy saw croc, all he saw was another asshole. He just needed a way to beat him. And after some trial and error, he figured it out.As for the impel down shit, big deal. Did you see the expression on crocs face when luffy used storm on him? So much for that willpower, huh? Croc can't picture himself losing, so what he has is a huge EGO. Not to be confused with willpower.
Croc is just another villain whos ambitions are less than known and prefers to have people working for him, rather than working under someone. The warlord position was merely a ticket to get himself into alabasta without being hassled by marines.
He is not hoss, and if he shows up again (I STRESS THE IF, no one expected to see many of the people @ impel down again, so now they have had their big hurrah) you can bet he won't even be worthy of standing in luffys shadow. Luffy has gotten more powerful because his goal has always remained the same, but his personality has also remained the same.
TLDR: Croc ain't shit, just a big ego logia user with pathetic ambitions.
This post was edited by Eep on Dec 3 2010 02:06pm