Yeah but Hashirama should just be able to build some more senjutsu chakra.

Also, Hashirama and Tobirama are edo tensei. Don't they just need like 5 minutes and they'll be good again? I'm really understanding why they seem "defeated" when they haven't been sealed.

i also had trouble understanding their inability to regenerate, but oh well.

also hashirama's chakra points have been severed. senjutsu/sage mode requires him to blend his normal chakra with sage chakra/natural energy.

Didnt obito make it so they cant regenerate? Idk if he still has that effect on them

No, obito was like the 6th path and his jutsu wasn't a ninjutsu it was some other jutsu hence the reason why ninjutsu wouldn't work on him and edo tense I is a ninjutsu so if he killed one of the edo tensei, their regeneration I think only works through ninjutsu and other types other than what obito had

Madara isn't like the sage of 6th paths yet, IMO hasirama and tobitama are in a pitiful state only because of those rods
I suppose it serves as a sealing type jutsu where it binds to the person that it touches
I think tobitama will regenerate but he wouldn't be able to do anything cause of those rods
You should think of them as an inert antibodies
Lol

inert antibodies? so you want us to think of them as not even existing?

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This post was edited by nickchoi on Jan 17 2014 01:09pm

Damit I wished u wouldn't questioned me on what I meant by inert antibodies

What ur thinking is Totally opposite of what I meant lol.
They exist and are still there but inert or possibly a better choice of word, "dormant"

Antibodies are found in ur body so I assumed u assumed that they should exist -_-"
Humans have immune system whether weak or strong, containing antibodies that fight off against antigens (foreign molecules) or in naruto's case (madara lol)

Well to be more specific they don't nesscarily fight antigens but rather bind to the antigen
Or to be even more specific, when antigens are found, there are these dendritic cells called B and T cells
B cells has a protein called MHC (majorhistocompatbility protein) which presents the foreign molecule to T cells than the T cells releases cytokinesis and activates more B cells which further binds to this specific antigens that could found elsewhere in ur body

I missed a few points but lmk if u need further explanation

tbh i don't think dormant is the right word either. antibodies don't have phases to them, and we won't be making them randomly unless you have multiple myeloma or some type of lymphoma. antibodies are only produced by plasma cells after the b cell has undergone a cognate interaction with a T cell which only happens after it binds to antigen on its b cell receptor, endocytoses the receptor, and expresses it on MHC. we don't constitutively express them and have them wait for the antigen to show up. I just think your choice of analogy was awful lol.

Yes ur science background is up to the current date, but instead of trying to be a smartass you could've said bacteria or virus

then again i probably sound like a douche but anyways...I didn't mean to use antibodies as that type of analogy
I only meant to use broadly as explained, antibodies fight off foreign molecules or the "bad stuff" aka "madara" ( were still incorporating naruto right? Lol)
And hasirama and tobitama can be basically be compared of that as an antibody that is present, but is not properly functioning altough idk if that is quite possible (if you could refute me on that that's be great)

antibodies don't necessarily fight off foreign molecules, hence autoimmune diseases.....you were trying to find a comparison to the sealing of one's chakra via the rods, so i think the analogy you used wasn't appropriate since, based on your original post, nothing was fighting anything...plus the damage has already been done and is irreversible... so it's more of a blockage/suppression than an immune response.



hm... i missed this post, but.... wow....hahahahaa if you're going to "explain" something, at least make sure you know the subject...

first off, B and T cells are not dendritic cells.. dendritic cells are part of the innate immunity, and b and t cells are part of the adaptive immune response. dendritic cells are derived from the myeloid lineage, whereas b and t cells are derived from the lymphoid lineage, hence the name lymphocytes. dendritic cells are the cells that link innate to adaptive immunity by becoming mobile and traveling to the nearest secondary lymphoid organ after it binds to antigen on its innate receptors.

second, every nucleated cells in your body constitutively express MHC (more specifically MHC I). it's not unique to just B cells.....and no, the t cell does not release cytokines to activate more B cells... it releases cytokines to activate that single B cell to which it forms a cognate interaction with.....and everything else you said... pretty much that's NOT how the adaptive immune system works.

This post was edited by Cyba on Jan 17 2014 06:03pm