come on guys, dont ignore that guy with bolded text. He just want to be visible. Pay him attention

So, what exactly makes the 3rd Raikage's method of fighting a tailed beast any better than any other character who is capable of handling one, of which there are a few? You don't think Madara or Hashirama has the raw power to take on a tailed beast, even though they don't need to? What about Minato? He didn't need raw power. He had his speed and then was strong enough to seal the 9 tails, the strongest tailed beast, away. Every ninja in the series has a unique way of fighting. The Raikage's methods allowed him to go head on with the 8 tails. You think he'd beat it using long range ninjutsu? Nope, but the 2nd tsuchikage might. What might a tailed beast do against the particle release, exactly? What would 10000 shinobi do against the particle release besides dodge it? And even with the mizukage explaining his genjutsu to a huge group of shinobi, they were clueless as to how to stop it. And as another testament to Muu, who I personally believe is the strongest overalll, the allied forces declared that the only way to beat him would be to send Onoki, a fellow particle user, to beat him.

And again, it's all speculation. Has the manga specifically stated that the 3rd raikage was stronger than the 2nd mizukage or 2nd tsuchikage? I don't recall anything like that at all. Sure, the guy can square off against 10000 scrubs, so can a few other mountain-busting characters in the series, most likely. But what does he do against another top tier opponent? Who knows.

And most of us know that you don't like Kakashi. If it's not clear to you that he's a top tier ninja at this point, I don't know what to tell you. His skills are regarded as legendary by practically every single ninja that talks about him. So what has Gai done, exactly? Why was Kakashi chosen as the hokage over him? Gee, I wonder.

Completely agree... it was 3v1 (quickly turned to 2v1) when he finally got his powers back and he still captured naruto in seconds..
I am honestly confused about which would be stronger.. a single bodyment of all paths of pain or the 6 path puppet-idea of pain.. its definitely interesting.. and by "what is more dangerous" I mean if they had no idea how to fight him

Another thing is the general talk of "power"... what is power? Certain ninja may seem strong, but vs a seemingly weaker ninja, they would be destroyed.
The "5 second cooldown" of pain might of overpowered kakashi, but a 7th gate Gai? Probably would of wrecked.
Hidan would of gotten handled hardcore if he got caught in any genjutsu.. just stroll up to him and behead him

There are only a few ninja who don't, in my opinion, get completely countered by someone into oblivion.. one of those few ninja are itachi

To be a good ninja.. like itachi, he was smart, insightful, had strong genjutsu, decently above average taijutsu, great ninjutsu, close combat / range all locked up
Not to jump on the itachi-dickride-bandwagon.. but there aren't a lot of people I can legitimately think of who could kill him in a 1v1 (disreguarding the mangenkyo blindness and sickness)
Even on a kage level, raikage probably would get wrecked.. pretty much anyone who got caught in tsukiyomi would immediately be dead.. Just interesting and whatnot.. little ranty and I'm tired and just felt like typing away...... no proof read just sleep

This post was edited by ZipperInYourMouth on Jun 28 2013 09:25pm

ANDDDDDDDD yet again indent + zipper + juicy have failed to say what KAKASHI HAS DONE.................what has he DONE theory crafting lol about what he could possibly do isnt answering my question. Feats People FEATS he has gotten praise for surviving pain so konohamaru is above kakashi seeing as how he defeated a pain? lol

feats people feats like or not like the dude has no feats this is like the 3rd post after me asking about feats and none of you listed what he has actually done that is something of great note outside of being hokage. Tsunade is hokage though she isnt top tier but probably tier 3.

To zipper about the raikage you say all those names about what they can do but the 3rd raikage went 1 v 1 against 10000 for 3days 3nights and 1 v1 to a draw with the 8 tails more than once? Not really a draw since he fought only so the 8 tails could be sealed.These things were DONE ACTUALLY DONE by the 3rd raikage saying Muu or 2nd Mizukage can do the same thing is fucking speculation....... The 4th sealed the kyuubi, madara and the 1st controlled him thx to some power. The raikagae FOUGHT the 8 tails to a stand still.. see the difference? Gaaras dad was the perfect anti to the 1st tail with his gold slowing down his sand or something.

Dust Particle oh yay what has it done?? FEATS people feats not what ifs or possibilities.

Putting Kakashi or Gai for those still thinking this is about me being bias or straight up lying that i dont like kakashi(juicy in other fights and saying yeah they can do well is only speculation.... Give me a damn feat. Gai beat kisame who his seven blades kouhai warned the entire gokage about where the raikage said yes we already know that. Untailed Biji he beat him thats a feat people.

Kakashi has helped beat deidara, helped naruto face pain(so did all of konoha), umm he's beaten obito(no kamui) so it seems, Ummm helped with kakuza along with 8 or so others, ughhhh i dunno man these sound lack luster. Tell me something ive forgotten thats a feat PLEASE PLEASE NO MORE WHAT IFS saying he could beat these people because of such and such oh wait it didnt happen.

Tl:dr PLEASE only post feats actual things of NOTE that the person has done. Go kakashi has done such and such... let us decide how great is was.

WMK summed up a nice list of feats. Again, if you can't take the clues from the dialogue and how virtually EVERY CHARACTER IN THE SERIES thinks of Kakashi, I don't know what to tell you. We're telling you that's testament enough to his abilities. If that's not enough, use logic; kamui makes him a threat to any ninja, period. That's how Obito got by, and look what he was able to accomplish. The only moment I can think of where Kakashi showed weakness in a fight was against Itachi when he was caught off guard by Tsukyomi and was slammed. Not everything needs to be spelled out for you for it to be true. Naruto is a shining example of a story that requires you to read between the lines and dig a little deeper than the action that's drawn on the panels. By the way, Konohamaru is just a silly comparison for several reasons and you know it.

Dust release...do you really need to know what that has done in order to understand the destructiveness of it? It's the only 3-element release in the series. I don't believe it could be any clearer that the dust release is a one shot kill. Onoki almost hit Sasuke with it who would have died if it connected. And if you want something it has "done" then how about this; what did the allied forces do to handle the 4 resurrected kage? Gaara took his dad, and they sent divisions of soldiers to each deal with the raikage and mizukage respectively. How did they handle Muu? They stayed the fuck away and let Onoki handle it because he's the only other person with dust release.

And to your point about the 8 tails, yes, it is speculation. However, it's not speculation out the ass; we have very good reason to believe that the 2nd mizukage and tsuchikage can square off against a tailed beast. They're kage for christ's sake. They wield immense power. As of late, the power of the tailed beasts seem to have lost their impact given the crazy shit Madara and Hashirama can pull off. I'm not saying they're any weaker, just that there are certain characters that are stronger.

How is almost a feat? he didnt do anything if its almost

zabuza....um ok first villain sure sure he can have that..i guess lol
he didnt do shit to deidara but warp an arm deidara survive this WAS A TEAM EFFORT not just him
kakazu naruto did this wtf are you on?
edo tensei was vs an entire army what? gai was right there shadow dude again this was a team effort not him alone?
what did he do to the jinchuriki?
obito isnt a fucking feat that was regular fight without kamui

sooo zabuza cool.

Ive thought about his greatest feat...teaching naruto that the shadow clone could be used to gather info lol



He wasnt caught off guard he told them to close their eyes knowing the danger that was coming. Gai technically repelling itachi and kisame = feat. However gai on 2 occasions having itachi warn his fellow atkatsuki about him(gai) isnt a freaking feat. so NO wmkjsp didnt sum shit up as all those things wasnt kakashi he only played a part in them. Sorry but please list some of kakashi feats that can actually be seen as a feat? copying 1000 ninjutsu great parlor trick. Obito's kamui far surpasses kakashis. No Konohamaru is a great great show of what exact a fucking feat is konohamaru without the help of anyone else ebisu was already down..took down a fucking pain body. Can kakashi say the same? Nope

Muu and his ohh so great technique exactly what was his greatest accomplishment? Summoning madara lol using some split bullshit and summoning madara thats what i know of Muu. Mizukage outshined Muu greatly and he only dealt with fodder.

No all of your shit is speculation lol saying the dust particle can accomplish such and such when it in fact DIDNT accomplish shit doesnt show well for it.

Madara 1st and prolly the other 3 hokage along with 3rd raikage all stand alone. Im not saying they cant lose to hell konohamaru in some weird way but they clearly lead in "power". Shikmaru + darui both said it that sometimes its best to use quantity over quality in the case of kinkaku/ginkaku and the 10 tails...therefore the raikage taking on 10000 for such a length of time means he dealt with his own fatigue + all 3 jutsus. Does a living MUU(sorry what is living muus feats cause again i dont mean edo tensei) have the stamina to do all that dust + fend off genjutsus ninjutsu from prolly all directions does he have the speed in using that dust? come on man speculation can go both ways

This post was edited by Charity on Jun 28 2013 11:24pm

The Naruto series has put an emphasis on the upcoming generation.

While Kakashi is a renowned ninja in the Naruto universe, and a powerful one at that, the emphasis would be defeated if Kakashi appeared to steal the spotlight from all the major fights. The writers are faced with constraints (such as time), and therefore, there are a lot of character that are swept beneath the carpet.

There have been numerous comments acknowledging Kakashi, and from some of the most powerful to make an appearance. Why? It is because Kakashi is a powerful ninja, and secondly, it eliminates the need to dedicate time to Kakashi and to prevent him from stealing the spotlight from newer shinobi. There is a reason most of his fights in the war were largely omitted.

There are techniques and devices out there for this purpose. People can make comparisons and make the connections for themselves, and it would not be a stretch to suggest Kakashi is great. There is little information about the Second Hokage, but nobody is asking for a bunch of feats, they take the little information that has been imbedded. The same could be said about a lot of other mentions in the series.

Bold part has to be trolling. Mizukage and Muu killed each other. They're equals. My point is that Mizukage or Muu would be able to kill the raikage and vice versa. Feats this, feats that, who the hell cares? Feats don't count for shit in a 1v1 fight that's merely speculation anyway. That's all I'm saying.

Also, I respectfully disagree that the 3rd raikage is in the same league as any of the hokage, even Minato. Naruto was able to defeat the raikage using his speed to make the latter hit himself. Naruto is like a carbon copy of Minato. I just think that given what we know, any of the hokage WOULD kill the 3rd raikage.



I agree. And I firmly believe that Naruto and Sasuke will be the most powerful characters in the series pretty soon, actually. It looks like we'll still get a long deathmatch from those two given that we've been given hints that Sasuke has ill-intentions. I hope it pans out.

This post was edited by Juicy_J on Jun 28 2013 11:47pm