well....like madara did with 9tails... covered it with his susanoo oO

i was about to correct everyone on this

aswell as when you said each eye does one technique that is in correct

sasuke used one eye to use amaterasu the other to shape it

obitos left eye does range attacks but it still uses kamui so both eyes can use same techniques in different ways

and susanoo requires you to have both of your eyes MS

SInce itachi transplanted all his techniques into sasuke before he died, how could he have same techniques when he was revived... So he can give them again wtf

Was thinking if Sasuke copies/learns a trick or two from Madara in the imminent fight up ahead. Sasuke being the gifted quick learner he is. If not, he'll totally upgrade it some day before the shows end i'm sure. When Madara gets hokage'd it'll be unique to Sasuke, plus it's Sasuke's and Kishi's favorite jutsu. It don't even have to be fully complete, the weaksauce (compared with complete that is) Susanoo Sasuke pulled out and covered in flames vs Raikage was top notch as defense. With the flames, attack and lose a limb or so.



Magic tbh. Same magic as edo tensei re-animating clothes from DNA and how Tobi took Nagato's 2 rinnegan and then suddenly had 8 to put in himself + the jinchuuriki.

dang, was hoping no one would bring this up....i don't necessarily thing he shaped amaterasu.. i thought he just nullified/sent the flames back to where it came from...maybe one eye is needed to stop the techniques of the other eye.

No.. just no.. lol
even though itachi "transferred his techniques to sasuke" he did not give him tsukiyomi



No son, he used a regular genjutsu. As stated, uchiha can cast genjutsu just through their eyes..


Except for when he says he shapes it.. where everyone says he shaped it.. "wow he changed the chape of the black flames, does this mean he is more adept to amaterasu than itachi was?" was a specific line used.

Also, technically each eye has more than one technique. If you count susanno, thats 2



I know cyba.. that requires both eyes

Izanagi, Izanami both count unless it has been stated people with non-mangenkyo could use them.



Ok Thanks for that information

I even completed your arguement, next subject.

Would love for naruto to just gouge madara's eyes out and implant them right there on the battle feild, use the rinnegan + ninetails chakra to revive the 4 kage (5 with tsunade I suppose.. she is just there for tit support though) and take over the world .. as father and son.

did he not use tsuliyomi on bee? i recall him using it on bee when he came at him and he was like bam! tsukuyomi and had him pinned with spikes and shit then sasuke got larait right after

i recall danzo simply saying that his capabalites with tskuyomi just was pitiful compare to itachis what had full control over space and time

of course i could be wrong on this

The jutsu he used on bee was similar to the one itachi used on orochimaru (when they were still in akatsuki) where he ingrained spikes to immobilize him. As for the danzo thing, he stated (iirc) that sasuke's genjutsu was a far cry from itachi's tsukiyumi.. indicating that he was just using regular sharingan techniques instead of fully utilizing what the mangenkyo was capable of

Why no? it was explicitly stated that the left eye can extinguish the flames of amaterasu.

I stated the transfer of "all" eye techniques as an alternative hypothesis as to why sasuke's and itachi's mangekyou have such similar abilities...i never said it was absolute..if you're going to find a basis in which to argue with me (which you never win), you should at least make sure what I say is explicitly wrong



why are you bringing up sasuke never using tsukuyomi? I never stated that he ever used it, but this makes a good argument, so let it commence!

First off, i agree that the technique used on orochimaru was a regular genjutsu which is obvious since itachi was never shown to use the mangekyou but kept a regular sharingan - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzBnqOAS7TI - if you want to see for yourself

against danzo however, sasuke did use the mangekyou at the final moment...right eye mangekyou too... why else would he need to activate the mangekyou, more specifically the right eye mangekyou that controls tsukuyomi, if it wasn't tsukuyomi?



Do you see the difference between the genjutsu? activation of right eyed mangekyou occurred during sasuke vs danzo, no mangekyou was used during itachi vs orochimaru

the story hinted that it was more than likely that sasuke has used tsukuyomi based on the context clues (probably a 90+% chance that it was tsukuyomi)....if you care to disagree that it is less than likely tsukuyomi, feel free to post up your arguments and support it with discrete evidence from the manga.

danzo is a pretty bad example of tsukuyomi, and i never would've picked this example if i wanted to support the use of tsukuyomi, but it's whatever. if you want better examples, there are plenty



Not similar at all. in the fight vs bee, a right eye mangekyou sharingan was used, whereas a regular one was used vs orochimaru. refer to the comment above for further clarification.



in the anime,it also explicitly showed the right eye sharingan change into the mangekyou at this moment



I never said he couldn't shape it. I said the left eye doesn't necessarily possess the power to shape amaterasu, only extinguish...key word here is left eye... you should really work on your apprehension of context clues. I didn't think I needed to spell it out since mcbatch and I were discussing about the left eye, but apparently some people are too clueless to figure it out for themselves.

Also, that wasn't the "specific" line that was used

I'm not even going to comment on the "technically" comment because it's pretty stupid.



sigh... looks like i have to comment on the idiotic technically comment............technically, they have countless techniques.. technically, they also allow him to concentrate light, thus giving him vision.. technically, they also allow him to transfer information to the brain, allowing him to interpret light. technically, the right eye allows sasuke to convey information of light to the left side of his brain... technically, blah blah blah....technically, only idiots would bring something as desperate as this up.



i hope you know that in order to revive someone, they must first be dead...

read chapter 601 page 7 and 8 if you're still confused, which i have no doubt that you probably are.

try harder on your next attempt! you might actually win against me one of these days!

This post was edited by Cyba on May 13 2013 01:49am

Yay!!
More fight pls

I was stating "no" because you had said:




He never nullified it, as a matter of fact, he made a new element with it... but since you are #1 researcher and I am lazy neckbeard, you can go find the page (when he made them into death spikes as raikage used drop-kickuuuuuuu)



Okay



So me listing legitimate techniques and you listing basic eye functions is you winning an argument? Seems legit.
Also you did JUST say "I don't think he can shape it, just form it in and out of existance"
Come to think of it.. Itachi could too so it isn't really a special technique and sasuke is still a shitty worm in itachi's manly world
I am, of course, referring to when he caught sasuke and he put out the flames and approached his body to find out he had body shed.
Even zetsu (Our guest commentator) had said "He put out the flames, he must be ready to take his eyes" so why is everyone so surprised.. Itachi could do it without wasting an eye power on it.. Sasuke for most worthless character ever.






Using the danzo fight was a bad example since it only shows him using his sharingan at the time of the striking.. I understand that it was in mangenkyo but that doesn't necessarily mean it was tsukiyomi. The frame you actually showed is too late for the activation anyways.. since he activated the genjutsu before danzo looked at his arm to count his eyes like he did every 15 seconds on the dot.
The bee fight, however, might be a better arguement that I really can't see too much flaw with.. the only real rebuttal is that he is using a SIGNIFICANTLY weaker version of tsukiyomi.. so weak that it is no longer tsukiyomi





Now to finish off this mornings tongue lashing!
I made a typo, genuine mistake, you caught me... but if you payed attention as much as you say you do (which you don't) the "as father and son" comment should of EASILY told you I was referring to the 4 previous hokage.. I can see that because I mentioned tsunade and physically said "kage" you must have referred to the ones who she (allegedly) saved by killing herself... thus solidifying the bond between villages forever.